Soundproofing

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is there anything that's comprable to Auralex Foam for soundproofing??? i just can't bring myself to spend $600+ on FOAM!!! does anyone know how well the "eggshell" bedding materal compares?? some carpet maybe? cardboard egg cartons? i really feel i must tame the acoustics of the rooms, but don't wanna spend the cash.

thanx in advance

wyd
 
whosyourdaddy00 said:
is there anything that's comprable to Auralex Foam for soundproofing??? i just can't bring myself to spend $600+ on FOAM!!! does anyone know how well the "eggshell" bedding materal compares?? some carpet maybe? cardboard egg cartons? i really feel i must tame the acoustics of the rooms, but don't wanna spend the cash.

thanx in advance

wyd

Look around in the Studio Building forum for tips, you'll find a lot of info there.

Firstly, sound proofing and taming acoustics are two completely different things, sound proofing is basically stopping sound from getting in or out of a room, usually by building double airtight walls with lots of mass and seperating them with an airspace and maybe some absorptive material.

Sound treating a room is achieved by strategically placing absorptive materials in key spots inside a room to tame problem frequencies and to smoothly absorb or diffuse excess energy in a balanced way across the whole audio spectrum.

Auralex egg crate foam doesn't sound PROOF it sound TREATS by absorbing some high and mid frequency energy.

Cardboard egg crates do diddley squat, zip, zero, nothing except look hideous. Want to try it for yourself? Hold one up against a wall and sing into it from 3 inches away.

A room with carpeted walls will probably be muddy sounding since carpet wont absorb the lows and mids but will kill ALL the highs.
 
I'm making my own art diffuser from a bunch of 2x2s cut at different lengths.
 
whosyourdaddy00 said:
i really feel i must tame the acoustics of the rooms, but don't wanna spend the cash.
Ya gotta pay to play........!
 
Actually what you have to do is what's best for your situation. That may or may not involve much $, but will involve work on your part.

There are a variety of ways to tame the sound in a room as vox already pointed out. Every room is different and there is no one size fits all approach. Clearly the best results can usually be purchased for lots of $, but you may be able to solve your problem for little $.

What you need to do is also related to what you want to record. Recording vocals, miked guitar cabinets, and live drums are somewhat different problems.

Ed
 
Ed Dixon said:
...Clearly the best results can usually be purchased for lots of $, but you may be able to solve your problem for little $.
Sure -- as long as "solve your problem for little $" doesn't involve such nonsense as using egg-crates and mattress foam....!
 
Solving one's problems means exactly that. One determines the nature of the problem, the different solutions approaches, the cost for each, and then picks the one best suited to their requirements and resources.

DIY folks can quite often address their needs for little $. The resources on this board, and other similar boards, provide lots of data on different ways to tackle each issue.

Ed
 
Hey Daddy . . .


Try and hunt down an industrial insulation distributor, and get yourself a hold of some rock wool (aka mineral wool). A whole shit load of it. As much as your paltry, measly little budget can afford. :D Far superior to that Auralex crap, and probably a lot cheaper, too.


(No one can say I'm not helpful to the newbs sometimes)
 
thanx everyone, yeah i've been readin' up on the subject @ SAE's site and it looks like i'm gonna go the insulation + pegboard route for my dead room, and i'm gonna prolly piss my money and buy a basic Auralex kit for the mixing room, then go from there....

peace

wyd
 
WYD,

> i'm gonna prolly piss my money and buy a basic Auralex kit <

You would do a lot better with high performance acoustic treatment from my company:

www.realtraps.com

For a similar amount of money you'd get real bass traps, not a bunch of foam.

--Ethan
 
And if you know how to use a saw and a hammer, you can build what Ethan is selling for less than 1/3 the price!

Your tracking room will need a balance of low mid absorption and high frequency diffusion. There are very cost effective approaches to both IF you are willing to swing a hammer and cut with a saw, and do a little glue work.

Your control room is going to need some well placed absorption, possibly full spectrum. Here, you will be looking to get rid of early reflections at your mix position, and to again tame low mids in the room.

If you think all of this is just as simple as buying a product to throw on the walls and call it done, you are sadly mistaken.

First off, forget the Aurlex stuff. That is over priced garbage. At best, you might get some okay high frequency difussion out of their product line, but aside from that, they really don't make anything that is terribly effective that is cost effective too. Forget the cool looking ad's here. :)

Next, it is VERY easy to create new acoustic problems by "over solving" another. Meaning, you "think" you need high freqency absorption, so you put up a bunch of absoption for it, now you have a frequency RT balance problem, because what you really needed was to get rid of early midrange reflections at your mix position. Don't know what I mean? Probably not, and that is why you are thinking egg crate and foam products will solve your problems.

Your best bet is to head on down to the Studio Design forum here, and start a thread and give as many details about your room sizes and materials already in the room as you possibly can. Then ask John Sayers very nicely if he would give a tad of advice.

With all the money that John Sayers could save you from paying for that overpriced Aurlex crap, you could actually afford to have him design treatments specifically for your room! In the end, you will wind up with MUCH better sounding rooms this way.

I can tell for some reason that you will be thinking "this guy is whacky!!! Aurlex makes all these wonderful claims and has all these endorsements, and all claim it is the best". To that, I will tell you that I have worked out of many nice studios, and none of them used ANY Aurlex products at all. It is only when I get to the small house studios that I start seeing Aurlex, and time and time again, Aurlex didn't solve any of the importand problems in those rooms! These rooms are usually impossible to do effective work in because the major acoustical problems were not addressed effectively by Aurlex products!

Do yourself a favor and forget Aurlex products. Forget about egg crates. Forget about foam in general.

Spend a few extra bucks and do stuff right. That would start with having a comprehensive assessment done of your room and then specific treatments applied to the problems, all done by somebody that designs acoustical treatments for a living.

Yes, you can spend a lot of time trying to figure it out yourself. Possibly, being the first time you do this, you might actually get lucky and get even 50% of your problems solved. But you know, I have been doing engineering work for over a decade and I STILL consult acoustic designers. Blue Bear Sound just built his studio from plans John Sayers sent him (that Bruce paid for!). Bruce is very happy with his rooms. I have been happy with all the jobs John has helped me out with too. So, you have two guys that know more than you do about this who STILL refuse to risk figuring this stuff out for ourselves and will gladly pay a guy who knows his beans to do it.

Good luck.

Ed
 
Yea, he was crossing the line on that one, for sure.

But then again, who else is he going to post a link to? I mean who else out there sells real (as in the non-foam variety) bass traps? The market's not exactly saturated with that particular offering at the moment. :D
 
Re: Re: Soundproofing

vox said:
A room with carpeted walls will probably be muddy sounding since carpet wont absorb the lows and mids but will kill ALL the highs.

Ha, who has carpets on their walls?
 
I have four carpets on my walls (or hanging about six inches away from the walls, actually). I've got carpet on a lot of the floor, and low bookshelves along some walls as well. There are other surfaces that aren't covered, and the room's got a sloping ceiling and a lot of irregularities that help avoid standing waves. The result's okay, because I mic nothing that goes lower than 82 Hz in that room.
 
Re: Re: Re: Soundproofing

FattMusiek said:
Ha, who has carpets on their walls?


A hotel offered me a job as resident engineer in their newly renovated and redesigned 'club' , some genius interior decorator had charged them major $$ and had totally redone the place as a live music venue, all the walls were carpeted floor to ceiling for acoustic reasons (??????!!) and the mix position was a glass cubicle in one of the back corners of the room with one small sliding window, the height of the room was only about 9 ft and the P.A. was floor stacked on either side of the stage, about 100ft from the mix position. Basically the tops were too low to fire above the heads of the crowd and the carpet was sucking up all the diffused highs, and the mix booth was flooded by 'corner' bass. Basically past the first 4 rows of people all you could hear was a muffled rumble, and the mix booth was a nightmare. That was quite possibly the worst sounding room I've ever been in.

Of course I didn't take the job.
 
Dobro,

As chessrock said, the real issue is that my company is the only place you can buy real bass traps for a reasonable price. It's obvious you don't follow my posts here and elsewhere - I spend a huge amount of time helping people for free. Please, before you accuse someone of being a spammer, do a little research. In fact, the original poster asked specifically what else he could buy besides foam. So how can you fault me for making a suggestion?

> I have four carpets ... hanging about six inches away from the walls <

That is useful down to maybe 500 Hz. I assure you a sloping ceiling and other irregularities do nothing to solve low frequency problems. Play a 100 Hz sine wave and walk toward and away from the walls, and you'll see exactly what I mean. Then have a look at my Acoustics FAQ, second in the list on my Articles page:

www.ethanwiner.com/articles.html

--Ethan
 
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