Sonar 3.00... First Impressions.

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moskus said:

5) For easier adjusting of the PerTrack EQ: Doubble-click on it! :)

Seems like you're struck by bad luck. And I'm sure that if it's buggy then Cakewalk will release a bugfix during the next few weeks.
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Thanks for the tip Moskus. I didn't realize that was possible. Double clicking on the eq graph (plot) opens the Sonitus fx:equalizer in a separate window. This provides access to two more bands than the per-track eq reveals. I found that kind of strange. Even though you can get six bands of eq enabled by double clicking on the per-track eq graph(plot), the per-track eq can only show a total of four of those six active bands.

When in Track View, effects inserts are visible, but per-track eq is NOT. You must use the Track Inspector to tell whether any eq is active or applied to the track. This is not a problem in Console View, but many of us prefer to work in Track View as much as possible. My guess is that the Track Inspector was created to handle this issue.

Question: If it's the same plug-in, why not just use the Sonitus fx:Equalizer as a track insert? At least that way you can tell at a glance in Track View which tracks have eq enabled.

CakewalkGuy: Can you or anyone else tell me whether there is audible or resource utilization difference between using per-track eq and using the Sonitus fx:Equalizer as a track insert?

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SteveD
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SteveD said:
This is not a problem in Console View, but many of us prefer to work in Track View as much as possible. My guess is that the Track Inspector was created to handle this issue.
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Yeah, many use the Track View as much as possible... What's up with that?!? :mad:

:D



Seriously...
 
i think its cuz the console view sucks(how its Graphical User Interface is designed)....IMO anyway...
 
i have...but i have also tried the samplitude 7 console view, which looks like a big 1000,000 mixer btw...so thats what i'm comparing it to...
 
Teacher said:
i have...but i have also tried the samplitude 7 console view, which looks like a big 1000,000 mixer btw...so thats what i'm comparing it to...
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Wow! Got a screen shot? :)


But it just can't be cooler... :D
 
Originally posted by SteveD
CakewalkGuy: Can you or anyone else tell me whether there is audible or resource utilization difference between using per-track eq and using the Sonitus fx:Equalizer as a track insert?
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There should be no audible or resource utilization difference between these two methods.
 
AW - Cakewalk said:
There should be no audible or resource utilization difference between these two methods.
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Thank you AW! That helps.

The ONLY advantage I can see to using per-track eq instead of using the Sonitus fx:equalizer as a track insert is the appearance of the graph (plot) on top of the tracks in Console View.

I think I prefer the ability to view and modify the eq right from the effects bin of all views, INCLUDING the Track View. This way, the presence of eq is visible along with all other inserts AND it can be easily disabled along with ALL inserts in the track with one click by using the Bypass Bin functionality.

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SteveD
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Well... then you work your way, and I'll work mine. :)

I really like the idea of an "integrated" EQ in the Console. But then again, I'm using the Console all the time. And now, when it's new and improved, I'm gonna use it a lot more. I have a dedicated monitor just for the Console. :)
 
Cakewalk Guy(s);

Can you tell me why I now have to click two buttons instead of just one to enable record with input monitoring? I use a Mackie Control, and there is no button for this extra step. I guess I can program one, but really, why can't the record button on my control surface engage input monitoring at the same time for that track? Sonar 2.2 has this.

I'd like to formally request a switch within Global Options to allow the track Record Enable button to simultaneously turn on input monitoring for the associated track.

Where do I log this request for inclusion into the next release?

Thanks,

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SteveD
www.5adayclub.net/music/
 
moskus said:
I mailed them at support@cakewalk.com

Ironically that was about having a Input Monitoring button on each track...
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Okay, maybe I'm missing something here. How is that helpful? Why would you rather press one button and click somewhere else on the screen -or- click two buttons on the screen instead of just one? Why would you ever want the monitoring enabled if you're not interested in recording? If you ARE interested in recording on that track, pressing or clicking the record enable button preforms that function.

Want to just play along and listen to the mix in the cans without recording? Fine, then after you enable recording on the track (thus enabling monitoring on that track) just press play instead of record on the transport.

Really... what am I missing?

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SteveD
www.5adayclub.net/music/
 
moskus said:
Wow! Got a screen shot? :)


But it just can't be cooler... :D
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if i can figure out how to post a pic on this thing i'll do it when i go home

i dunno if its cooler...but i'd much rather look at it while mixing then looking at sonar's track view or console view....but nothing beats sonar for pre-production IMO....
 
SteveD said:
Why would you rather press one button and click somewhere else on the screen -or- click two buttons on the screen instead of just one?
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Because I use Input Monitoring for what it's worth. Say I track a band: Drums, 2 guitars, a bass and vox. I really like feeding the processed signal back to the band, to me most perform better when they hear some processed sound instead of the raw signal, that's why Input Monitoring is on on my system.

The band play togheter but I only want to record the drums. I don't want to record the rest of the band. Now how the hell was I supposed to do that? I couldn't... Well, I could, but then I had to delete tracks later, and that's just a lot of unnecessary work and waste of HD space. It's just easier, IMHO. ;)



And by the way: On the system I tried, Input Monitoring was automaticly activated when the track was armed and deactivated when the track was unarmed. Just like in Sonar 2.2. But I could activate Input Monitoring on tracks that wasn't armed. Now that's genius! :)
 
moskus said:
And by the way: On the system I tried, Input Monitoring was automaticly activated when the track was armed and deactivated when the track was unarmed. Just like in Sonar 2.2. But I could activate Input Monitoring on tracks that wasn't armed. Now that's genius! :)
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YES, YES, YES!!! How do I do that? When I have Input Monitoring enabled for all tracks, EVERY input device plugged into the DAW is live and feeding audio through the mains.

How do I set the system to be Input Monitoring Enabled, but ENGAGED only when the Record Enable buttion is selected?

This would make me a 3.0 fan again!

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SteveD
www.5adayclub.net/music/
 
SteveD said:
How do I set the system to be Input Monitoring Enabled, but ENGAGED only when the Record Enable buttion is selected?
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I'm not at the system right now, the store is closed for the night. :( I'll ask the Sonar master down there.

But I can think of a sollution (but it's not the best), and that's to Group the Record Button and the Input Monitoring. That would work just like you want, but the downside you need to do this on each new track you insert and if you're using many tracks you'll soon run out of Groups.
 
moskus said:
I'm not at the system right now, the store is closed for the night. :( I'll ask the Sonar master down there.

But I can think of a sollution (but it's not the best), and that's to Group the Record Button and the Input Monitoring. That would work just like you want, but the downside you need to do this on each new track you insert and if you're using many tracks you'll soon run out of Groups.
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Hmmm...

Here's a clip from the Sonar 3.0 on-line help:

To Disable Input Monitoring:

1. Use the Options--Audio Dialog box.
2. On the Input Monitoring Tab, deselect the names of the sound cards that you use for input monitoring.

Sounds like I need to go there and ENABLE my sound card, but I don't have that tab in Sonar 3.0! I saw this before and just assumed it didn't exist in Sonar 3.0 and the help text was left over by mistake from Sonar 2.2.

Do you have the the Input Monitoring Tab in Sonar 3.0?

Cakewalk Guys... can you tell me if this Tab should exist in 3.0?

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SteveD
www.5adayclub.net/music/
 
SteveD said:
Can you tell me why I now have to click two buttons instead of just one to enable record with input monitoring? I use a Mackie Control, and there is no button for this extra step. I guess I can program one, but really, why can't the record button on my control surface engage input monitoring at the same time for that track? Sonar 2.2 has this.
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I don't recall the exact buttons, but I think pressing the shift and the rec button turns input monitoring off and on for a given channel when using the Mackie Control with 3.0. I'm going from memory from a Cakewalk newsgroup posting - I have a mackie control, but don't have my 3.0 yet. ;)

-lee-
 
laptoppop said:
I don't recall the exact buttons, but I think pressing the shift and the rec button turns input monitoring off and on for a given channel when using the Mackie Control with 3.0. I'm going from memory from a Cakewalk newsgroup posting - I have a mackie control, but don't have my 3.0 yet. ;)

-lee-
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There's a shift button on the Mackie Control?

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SteveD
www.5adayclub.net/music/

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I've tried it with the shift key on the keyboard. Nothing.
 
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SteveD said:
There's a shift button on the Mackie Control?
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There's 4 "modifier" buttons on the Mackie Control -- M1, M2, M3, M4 -- try those.

-lee-
 
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