MadAudio
Damned if I do
Maybe he will tell us!NL5 said:
lbanks
Banned
WHere's the pics?
mshilarious
Banned
Minion said:
I agree with the sentiment, but that's not how eBay works. Under their VeRO program, they do what the big companies tell them. It practically takes a court order to get it reversed.
If you keep relisting, you are asking to be banned. Unfair but true.
If you sue Shure, they will be forced to disclose the reason they think it's a counterfeit as part of discovery . . . but I doubt you want to go that far
pohaku
New member
You know, you wouldn't think it would be worthwhile to fake an SM58. Kind of like counterfeiting a $1 bill. Now a Neumann U87ai maybe -- but an SM58. Personally, if it was my mic, I'd want a better explanation. I'm used to having big companies lie to me or give me erroneous information in my business.
MadAudio
Damned if I do
Up above. I've noticed pics sometimes don't appear the first time you click on a thread. Just hit "refresh" and they should show up.lbanks said:
The pouch picture that timboZ posted had me get out one of my Shure pouches, and mine did look different. The grill on breeeeza's mic looks slightly different, too. And though it's been awhile since I bought a new 58, the box didn't look right to me either. And since when do Shure mics come with an XLR->TS cable? Red flags all around.
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Bill Furnett
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You can tell by the silver ring just over the lettering.
You'll notice the fake has a "ridge", a flat spot, a ridge, then the windscreen.
A 58 is flat then a ridge then the wind screen.
At least that is how it looks to me comparing.
You'll notice the fake has a "ridge", a flat spot, a ridge, then the windscreen.
A 58 is flat then a ridge then the wind screen.
At least that is how it looks to me comparing.
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Rick Shepherd
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I will have to check mine!
mshilarious
Banned
Bill Furnett said:You can tell by the silver ring just over the lettering.
You'll notice the fake has a "ridge", a flat spot, a ridge, then the windscreen.
A 58 is flat then a ridge then the wind screen.
Could be a replacement ball.
MadAudio
Damned if I do
On what was supposedy a new mic? Doubtful.mshilarious said:
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
why is all this talk of replacement balls and counterfeit shafts making me cringe?
ah yes, because i got burned on a set of fake-ass 57's. fortunately i broke two of the three before i could actually try to record anything with them.
ah yes, because i got burned on a set of fake-ass 57's. fortunately i broke two of the three before i could actually try to record anything with them.
MadAudio
Damned if I do
Ran out of hammers?kojdogg said:why is all this talk of replacement balls and counterfeit shafts making me cringe?
ah yes, because i got burned on a set of fake-ass 57's. fortunately i broke two of the three before i could actually try to record anything with them.
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
MadAudio said:Ran out of hammers?
nah, i was a little suspicious and this was before the whole counterfeit scam was well known. i wanted to look inside after i saw a 57 mod in tapeop, to see if the guts looked as they were supposed to and the things just broke. i think they were designed to self destruct.
mshilarious
Banned
I feel bad for Shure that they are getting counterfeited so bad, and so well . . . the fakes I've seen in the past were nowhere near that convincing. But until Shure tells us how to spot a fake, there is no way I would even consider purchasing one anywhere, especially since they are being so vigilant on eBay. I'm glad I sold all mine a year or two ago.
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
mshilarious said:
it's kind of ironic given the lack of restrictions on proprietary designs and the like over there (ala behringer and the myriad of chinese condensers that are rip offs of other designs). some of these enterprising folks should focus their energy on reverse engineering some sm7b's and selling them as some other brand over here.
edit: don't mean to knock chinese engineering, manufacturing, and designs by any stretch. i love my karma mics and my mackie onyx mixer/interface
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Rick Shepherd
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The Shure logo font varies through time. My SM58 pouch and mybeta 87 have different SHURE fonts. I don't see any difference between the two pics. Mine is an older one, and has different lettering in the label around the shaft. Mine says: "SHURE SM58 DYNAMIC LO Z then the symbol for the pickup pattern after that. So, there ya go, not all SM58s are created equal from SHURE.
dgatwood
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Bill Furnett said:You can tell by the silver ring just over the lettering.
You'll notice the fake has a "ridge", a flat spot, a ridge, then the windscreen.
A 58 is flat then a ridge then the wind screen.
At least that is how it looks to me comparing.
Compare it to this:
Looks pretty much the same to me, except that the lettering is slightly taller in your photo. Considering that I've actually seen this vary from one Shure mic to the next bought a few years apart, that's not a red flag to me.
As for the cable, the SM58-LC comes without a cable. It could easily be an SM58-LC with a third-party cable thrown in. That isn't particularly uncommon.
The bag difference... again, I'm sure that every time Shure tools up a different company to make their bags, there are probably subtle differences.
The only thing suspicious in my mind about the photos in the previous page is that the lettering on the box is aligned incorrectly. The 58 has a higher baseline than the SM. That seems wrong to me, but you'd have to ask one of the Shure guys on the board to know for sure. It's possible their graphic designers were just on crack that week.
A higher resolution shot of the paperwork could probably clear a lot of the questions up.
scrubs
Not of sound mind
pohaku said:
Volume. 57s/58s move a hell of a lot more units.
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alba123
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posible recourse
breeeeza, I hate to see people get screwed, even though it's just an $80 mic. Did you get the mic from an online dealer or local music store? Mabe you could contact the dealer and take it from there. If the dealer dosen't give you satisfaction and you are positive the mic is a fake tell as many people as you can not to do business with that dealer. I guess you'd have to check if that's legal. Any legal experts here?
breeeeza, I hate to see people get screwed, even though it's just an $80 mic. Did you get the mic from an online dealer or local music store? Mabe you could contact the dealer and take it from there. If the dealer dosen't give you satisfaction and you are positive the mic is a fake tell as many people as you can not to do business with that dealer. I guess you'd have to check if that's legal. Any legal experts here?
TelePaul
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That box looks legit...i see a product registration card, i dont suppose you tried registering it? Thatd probably have confirmed/disocnfirmed authenticity.
pohaku
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It does seem that if Shure is claiming that it is a fake mic, that you could take it back to the vendor and try and get your money back. Got your receipt? Let them sort it out with Shure. Give them a copy of your e-mail from Shure telling you that the mic is counterfeit. It is certainly an issue for the vendor if they are selling counterfeit mics. You could always get local law enforcement involved as well if you need to. I don't know about the UK, but in the States, a State Attorney General's Office would entertain the complaint that a consumer is being defrauded.
I'll grant that volume could be a reason to counterfeit such a cheap item, but they would really have to be moving a ton of these in order to make it worthwhile.
I'll grant that volume could be a reason to counterfeit such a cheap item, but they would really have to be moving a ton of these in order to make it worthwhile.