So what's a couple thousand bucks amongst tube compressors???

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Regebro,

I already stated that I'm not gonna get into a dbx v. FMR thing. And I never mentioned anything about sonic quality, and I'm not going to.

I will repeat; I have an RNC, I plan to get another. I'm just not confused as to where it sits in the compressor hierarchy.

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
 
I am not contesting your final conclusion, that the RNC can't compare with top of the line compressors for over ten times the cost of the RNC, and neither is anybody else, really. ( I can't, since I have never used any of them. )

I just felt that I had to point out that most of the things you said about the RNC were false, and put an overly negative light on the RNC. I assume that you did this (maybe subconsciously) because you work for dbx.

If you still want to claim that everything you said (except the sidechain) is correct, you are welcome to do so, but I have already warned you that this is likely to kill every bit of thrustworthyness you have. I suggest you let this unfathombly dead horse lie rest in piece.
 
regebro said:

Sonusman: It's refreshing to see somebody that DON'T think the RNC kick the ass of all compressors below $2000. If your insane or everybodye else is, I don't know, yet. :)

Lennart, who said anything about "kicking the ass of all compressors below $2000"..no one.. I stated that it was a pro compressor, and stand by my statement.
 
I did! :)

And loads of otehr people to, actually. Sonusman didn't Which I commented.
 
Direct Comparison

REGEBRO: Since you apparently have an RNC and some of the other popular contenders, could you do a direct comparison review for us to illustrate exactly why the RNC is superior ? I would really like to know, since, as I mentioned before, the only reviews that I have seen from people who own multiple comps are much less fanatical about the RNC. Most of the fanatical RNC reviews I have seen are from people who rave about it, but never indicate exactly what they are comparing to or why it is audibly better.

Thanks,
Rick
 
Anyway,...

All of this has actually been quite informative but allow me to bring it back on track a bit. I originally was inquiring about the a 'budget comp' vs, the Summit because I had learned from a trusted source that the Summit TLA-100A was a 'good vocal compressor for THICK AND POIGNANT VOCALS'. That's what's important to me, to be able to run vocals from my Rhode NT-1 mic through it and get that presence.

Now, seeing as how the Summit is being a lil' b*tch, just lookin' at me every time I go the the music store but refusing to go home with me, (something about "too few of those green things in my wallet") I have to ask about an alternative. Not necessarily a replacement for the Summit, just the best possible alternative. Would the RNC be able to capture that 'presence, thickness, etc.,' of the Summit to some degree?
 
Just buy the RNC - maybe 2 and get the faceplate too - and be done with it. The RNC's are excellent....... you will not be disappointed unless you need a feature out of a compressor that the RNC doesn't provide.

Bruce
 
Summit DCL-200

I have had occasion to use the Summit DCL-200 on two occasions. once, when I was in a pro studio, we strapped it across the mix bus for stereo mix compression. Another time, in a studio where I used to work, I used a channel of it for vocal compression, following (at different times) a focusrite Red pre, and a Summit pre, on a personal project.

It's an awesome compressor, definitely one of my favorites. It sounds very smooth, rich and polished, and it doesn't really seem to cloud a mix or weigh it down. With pretty heavy rock vocals (tracking on my own) I was able to get levels pretty much red-lined without clipping with just a little work. It is an extremely "friendly" model, kind of hard to go wrong with it if you know the basics of compression. The one you are looking it looks even easier, since it has just two knobs, like an LA-2A.

When my band was mixing an album, which was the first time I met this compressor, the mixer we hired actually had a RNC in his bag. I asked him about it, and he said it was really nice (first of many times I would hear that phrase), but that since we were in a studio with a Summit tube compressor, we were going to use it.

I think that's probably the point. If you have the cash to acquire awesome gear, do it. I know that if I could afford it without feeling terrible about my budgeting for the next month or two, I would definitely pick one up. But at 175, the RNC gets you 90% of the way there, at 10% of the cost. That's what makes it a no-brainer. and that's why so many people on this board rave about it.

I would say the extra 10% that the Summit provides over the RNC is in terms of what it does to the sound, timbre-wise, not compression-wise... it definitely adds something to the sound, a (here goes) warmth and breadth, a little "shine." The RNC is amazing, but it is *very* clean. It's not going to add harmonics or richness, it's just going to do its job as a compressor--and do it very well.
 
Well...

I was going to ask how I get a Neumann U87 to sound good through a Radio Shack mic mixer (you know, the battery powered one), but now I'm afraid to ask!

:D :D

Bruce
 
c7sus said:
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I can see a slew of posts about how do I get the most out of my sm57 through my LA2A? How about giving me a break..... [/B]

You've never put an SM57 through an LA-2A?? :D
 
YEAH, I got it all running into my 424 with uncleaned heads and a 99 cent lo-fi cassette tape! Sh#t, what do you think I'm a rookie? I happen to like the NT-1 (you all know damn well what it's like to gat attatched to a piece regardless of what else comes along. But, this isn't the 'Mics' section, it's 'The Rack' section, so let's return to discussing women's racks! That is what we were talking about right?

Serously, you all have been of great assistance. Thanks a lot.
 
Re: Direct Comparison

Originally posted by The Axis
REGEBRO: Since you apparently have an RNC and some of the other popular contenders

No, I don't. Thanks for the trust in me doing a test, but you need to pay attention to what people write.
This is not to try to start a flame again, Axis, but I have several times pointed out that I don't own any of the "contenders", and it is also clear by reading my posts that i do NOT own an RNC. Yet. I'm gonna buy one, and obviously, then you'll get another "mini-shootout" on my homepage.
 
Regebro:

you need to pay attention to what people write.

hmmmm....I went back and read everything you posted in this thread to see where I went wrong. You did say you had a dbx 163;
then you said that you did think the RNC kicked the ass of every other compressor under $2000.
Now you say you don't own an RNC.

OK...Once again I *assumed* that anyone who would make such a definite statement would have some legitimate basis for comparison. Have you ever even HEARD an RNC ?

Then you questioned Tom Crams' credibility ?

....never mind. Sorry I asked.

Peace,
Rick
 
Dude, I haven't said a WORD about the sound quality about the RNC. The "I did" part had a smilie after it. Loads of people have said that the RNC kicks the ass of all compressors up to ten times it's price. I thought you knew that, because it can not have avoided anybody that reads the posts on this BBS.
I do own a dbx 163A. You will notice that it is NOT one of the compressors I did the fact comparison with the RNC with.

I am going to explain to you once again what I have said here, to try and make it clear to you:
What I pointed out was that Toms factual statements about the RNC were mostly dead wrong. When he then still stood by his "facts" I explained to him that doing this would be a sure way to kill his credibility. He seems to have understood this, which shows that he is a smart man, and will most likely be a credible and useful contributor to HR.COM.

All clear?
 
Get the Pink one with Cookie Monster on it, Much better low end, nice Sparkle on top, and it seems to bring out the best in the SSL's preamps. ;)
 
Oh come on...

Fellers, my credibility can take a few million more hits with no trouble at all. I stepped out because I thought this whole thing was ridiculous, I still do. And, the original poster (swindle) still hasn't gotten his question answered.
Can you say misdirected energy?

Swindle, the reason I think that you haven't gotten an answer to your question, and why this whole thread blew up like a cheap M-80, is because you are entering very subjective territory. One man's cool doohickey is another man's boat anchor, no matter what the price tag. You are the best judge, your ears tell the tale. Just because everybody says something is cool/not cool doesn't mean that it is. And just because some guy who works for "x" company says it's cool/not cool doesn't mean that it is. You have to hear something yourself to judge how it will work for your app. Consensus does not mean empirical, and anecdotal may as well be fiction.

Listen.

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
 
One man's cool doohickey is another man's boat anchor, no matter what the price tag. You are the best judge, your ears tell the tale. Just because everybody says something is cool/not cool doesn't mean that it is. And just because some guy who works for "x" company says it's cool/not cool doesn't mean that it is.
I agree completely. That is exactly why I wonder who has ACTUALLY HEARD these things and who is just spouting off because they want to be on the "Y is cool", or "X sucks" bandwagon.

BTW: X actually kicks Y's ass. I know because lots of people on this forum said it. :)

Peace,
Rick
 
I've heard it (actually own two). I speak from experience.
 
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