so it turns out the Q10 WONT work right..ha..great.

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this battle never ends with this thing.

So here's the just of it.

In Vegas, I can play a limited number of tracks with effects no problem.
I opened up a project I was working on a few months ago (with the Delta44 - and I had no problems at all with it...it ran smooth as a babys butt), and immediately tons of pops and clicks.
Boosted the buffer size in the Q10 control panel to 512, with ASIO Turbo activated (I dont even know what this does, but it makes the delay time less so I clicked it, i'm using vegas 5 too, by the way). With this, I get maybe a pop/click in one playback of a song.

I recorded a new project the other day, just 2 mics at a time, no clicks or pops - I'm worried that If I start recording 2-4 mics at a time, with 10+ audio playing back as well, that I'll have clicks/pops in the recording (which I CANNOT have) - will this happen?

Should I keep boosting the buffer size higher? How high is too high? With TURBO MODE and 512 selected, 11ms latency. Without TURBO MODE, it's 20ms. And, I dont REALLY even know if turbo mode is working with vegas!

So another big problem, I started working on one of those projects, had an effect or 2 or 3 on all 15 of the tracks. No big problem yet. I added Ozone 2 DX to the master channel (never used to be a problem). Whole computer stops responding, audio never stops playback, extreme amount of clicks/pops, its just going crazy. I have to turn the sound down quick (its lound and annoying and sounds like death), and then press the reset button on my box to force restart the computer. WHAT!?!? what is my problem here???

AND in the meantime, I STILL have this problem:
I get pretty choppy playback from anything opened in windows media player, winamp, and also in fruity loops. In FL, the only way to make it bearable to listen to is by putting the Direct Sound buffer size IN FRUITY LOOPS up to the MAX. What else can I do in the Aardvark control panel to fix the rest of these issues (there are direct sound buffer size thing, but it seems like it has no effect on anything)?
 
well even though i can't help with your problems really, i can say that your luck has to change soon. between this and your disasterous reformat, things couldn't get much worse. The way is see it is that once you get up and running this time, you will be good to go for a while. I mean nobody can have bad luck forewer so it has to be somebody else's turn soon.
 
hahaha... maybe my luck will go towards some texas holdem or somethin. HA!
 
shack. ive forgotten your pc confign. could you post it please.
also - what do you have in your pci slots ?
how much mem etc ?
 
Computer:
-ASUS A7V333 KT333 MB W/ ATA133, USB 2.0, 5.1 AUDIO
-AMD Athlon® XP-2000+ Processor AS22
-60GB 7200 RPM UDMA 133 HD
-130GB 7200 RPM Western Digital HD
-1gig PC2700 333MHZ DDR MEMORY
-Microsoft Windows XP Pro
-ATI Radeon 9200
-AMD Certified ATX Medium Tower Case - 350 Watt
-52X CD +/- R/RW
-4X DVD +/- R/RW

Hardware:
slot 1: delta44
slot 2: Network Card
slot 3:
slot 4: Q10 (sharing NO IRQs)
slot 5: Firewire (nothing plugged in)
 
shack. i have an inkling of what your problem might be.
you owe me a beer if this works !!
try disabling the network card in windows before you do a recording session, and tell me if THAT works. then turn it back on after youve finished a session.
i'm assuming you have hard drive dma enabled right ?
get back to me . peace.
ps...is that an el cheapo power supply ? if so - be aware some of them dont put out rated power according to the amd spec. for the future i would suggest overspeccing the power supply.
 
I have a suggestion, but I'm not sure if modern motherboard's have the same limitation mbs used to have . Change the order of your PCI cards. Put your NIC last. If you can, fill slot 3, leave 5 open. I had to do something like this to get a DC Miro video editing system to work, but that was a few years ago.
 
i have the q10 and i dont know about your other problems, but with windows media player etc. i think your problem is your sound output option. In Windows Media player i couldn't change this but in real rhapsody and winamp they have sound output options. with one of them on, it would get realll slow and 'jumpy' for about 5 seconds before it would play. however on the other output option it would do just fine.

one of the options i think was like direct sound or something... the other was an output on the q10 i think... i dont have my daw with me now (on my laptop). but try changing the sound output options, that might help some of your problem.
 
dma is enabled, for sure.

I put the cards in this order because the Q10, in its current slot, has an IRQ all to itself (18). I could get it to IRQ 16, but then it's shared with the AGP graphics card AND some USB ports. So I'm assuming here that the order is not the problem, am I correct in this assumption?

ACPI - is that a problem? I remember last time I took off ACPI, and instead it was "standard computer" as the driver.....what does anyone think about that?

I DO remember reading about that network card thing + Q10s...I will try that out first thing in the morning.

yes, winamp works nicely now, i love you. ha

p.s. - did a driver re-install, no luck there.


EDIT - ermmmmmm, how exactly do I disable the network card...haha. with device manager?
 
Shack why have you got the 44 & Q10 both installed? You can't sync them together for recording. Why not just pull the 44?
 
To disable your network card:

Start Menu -> Control Panel -> System
Select the Device Manager tab.

Expand the Network Adapters node in the device tree.
Right Click on the network device in question and select "disable"

To enable it after follow the same steps: the "disable" menuy options will be "enable" instead; select that.

Hope this helps.
 
shack. if the disabling of the network card doesnt solve the problem.
please answer me this. do you have on board video on your motherboard ?
the reason i ask, is in the past ive seen problems on some systems with ati video cards. and i have no answer why. but like the usb issue of usb working fine on some systems but not others, ive fouind the same with ati.
on some systems they work great.
also - in simple terms its important to understand the pci bus.
in simple terms, think of a usa interstate highway with no cars.
then we introduce a few cars (eg..a pci network card)...now there are a few cars , but there is little risk of collision because of the low car volume.
now we as more cars fill up the highway (ie...more pci cards installed)...
the risk of collision increases until one gets a traffic jam (ie..clicks/pops etc).
i know its simplistic...but only way to describe it.
to give you an idea where i personally am headed. my new pc this year ,
i will keep the pci card slots free of any other pci cards other than the sound card. thus the sound card will have free rein over the pci bus with no chances of conflicts (ie...traffic jams occurring). every successfull daw pc install ive helped friends with has used this approach. and no problems have occurred. i would suggest if you continue to have problems you consider this approach. its rather foolproof. with this approach...its very easy to see where the culprit is. because one can then re-introduce pci cards one at a time (eg...network card, fancy high power gamer card)...until one experiences clicks/pops/stuttering anomolies. when these start appearing IMMEDIATELY you know which is the offending card. many times ive found its either the network card, high power video gaming card or tv tuner card
for example. hope this helps. post back if you still get problems after disabling the network card. one example..the editor of prorec.com
( a very knowledgeable daw user who i respect) posted back that his own daw stopped having problems when he took my advice on disabling the network card. if none of this works. then i would be highly surprised.
peace.
 
ok, here's what's new:

- took out the 44....good point bulls hit.
- disabled 3com network adapter.

still no luck...choppy as a mofo!

really, the only things different from before that I could possibly think of would be ACPI and that I am using ASIO instead of windows sound controller now in vegas. If I try to use windows' control with the Q10, all i get is this intense static coming from the speakers when I play a .wav. haha...

do i have more to try??

EDIT: alright, so when I disable the IEEE card, and network card (leaving only the Q10 in pci slots active)...I can open a smaller project (the one I tried was 6 tracks, with Ozone2 on the master, 1-2 DX effects on each channel) and it runs fine. But, still when I open the bigger ones that I was having problems with before, it still can't function with everything active.
This really makes me think that there is some kind of bottleneck running or something..haha. What about windows proccesses? I know startup progs is minimal (Q10 and anti-virus are really about it that is extra). I disabled spoolsrv (printer thing), and all the other useless services I could distinguish as useless...haha. what could it be!?!
 
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shack. at this point you might try a different video card.
let me ask you this. when you had the 44 installed with no q10.
did you get the problems ? or was it smooth sailing ??
 
argh..smooth sailing I think. Check my edit in the message right above yours ^^....
I really WANT to blame it on ASIO haha...can i? hahaaha.
 
well - if it was smooth sailing with the 44, by process of elimination its got to be the Q10 or a setting in the q10.it shows me your basic computer confign is working fine. sorry - i didnt fully understand what you were getting at in the ^^^^^. peace.
 
dang man, i've tried EVERYTHING.
..

so lets see: Can I record with my buffers on the aardvark control panel ALL THE WAY up? Or will I get like an incredible amount of latency. 2048 would be the setting. 33 milisec latency. Will Vegas take care of this for me automatically? haha. (there is a setting that says "detect latency/delay automatically.")

2nd, should I TRY getting rid of that ACPI computer, and making it "standard computer"? If I try it, it could mean a reinstall of the computer, which I dont want to do really..haha. sometimes it forces you to though.

artgh!!
 
shack. sorry and maybe you dont want to hear this , but either try a different video card, or try a different sound solution to the q10.
if everything worked fine with the 44 its goto be the video card or the q10.
one other thing i would do is download say samplitude or another program. heres why. it will narrow the problem down. process of elimination i'm afraid.
i'm not saying get another multitracker BUT if another one works fine its got to be a setting in vegas. process of elimination.peace.
 
good call.
just tried another soundcard, NVIDIA tnt2 m64. No luck, same results...(..gosh darn! ha.).
ACPI or another program...here i come.
 
you meant VIDEO card - right ? nvidea is a video card.
ok. so it doesnt look like video card is your problem.
one thing I SHOULD point out...and i dont know if this is an issue...
ARE YOU SURE your power supply is putting out PROPER RATED POWER. ??
imho youve got a pretty heavy system there..i would upgrade the power supply...particularly if you plan on adding more stuff.
question..is it a standard old clone power supply that just sort of got slung in there ?
not being funny , but all sorts of lousy power supplies are floating around, and many have been found not meeting rated spec. this CAN cause problems.
get the demo of samp, and see if it runs fine. ive slung its younger brother on friends crap systems and it seems to run on anything.
if it runs fine, no problems then as i said - gotta be vegas setting. peace.
 
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