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dnl88
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Hi me and my friend are gonna be buying some sm57s (well copys but they sound the same) and we want to know if sm57 sound as good on toms as they do on snares?
will it work well?
will it work well?
Wireneck
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If they really do sound like 57's then they should work just fine.
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dnl88
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they should, Ive read reviews on there mic and they make really good quality copies for "cheap". Like a copy of the AKG C12VR for only 300$ instead of 4500. The people doing the review found that it sounded BETTER than the original. We could get 3 SM57s for the price of 1
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F_cksia
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Now I'm curious... what brand are you talking about?
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dnl88
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Its a german OEM brand made by the largest music store in europe. Called thomann superstone. The microphones are called the T.bone
www.thomann.de and select your language.
www.thomann.de and select your language.
Blue Bear Sound
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A 57 is a 57, a copy is not.... I guarantee they don't sound the same.dnl88 said:
But yes, you can definitely use a 57 on toms, it's not necessarily the "best" choice, but it will work.......
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Farview
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You can use anything you want to mic the toms. There is no mic police. and you don't need our permission.
How much cheaper than a 57 can you get?
How much cheaper than a 57 can you get?
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Dot
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57's sound like ass for recording toms.
For the same $79 - Studio Projects B1's are amazing on toms.
For the same $79 - Studio Projects B1's are amazing on toms.
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dnl88
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why are you all so convinced that sm57 are not imitable. Have you actually ever tried these copys?
mshilarious
Banned
A 57 only has a few parts:
1) the capsule. A cheaper capsule might not have the same response as a better one.
2) the transformer. This is really the critic part as far as cost/quality goes.
3) the case. The 57 has a case that can be used as a hammer. A copy might not, so keep that in mind when handling.
4) a few other parts that don't matter too much, the connector, the grille, the clip . . .
1) the capsule. A cheaper capsule might not have the same response as a better one.
2) the transformer. This is really the critic part as far as cost/quality goes.
3) the case. The 57 has a case that can be used as a hammer. A copy might not, so keep that in mind when handling.
4) a few other parts that don't matter too much, the connector, the grille, the clip . . .
Wireneck
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Ive never tried the B1 on toms but I own one. How big is the difference in cymbal bleed between the b1 and 57? I realize its going to depend on placement and how the drummer plays. I would think that the B1 would pick up alot more of the rest of the kit, which might not be such a good thing in certain applications.
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5 String
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I use T Bone CD55 clip-ons on toms.
Poor man's Sennheisers.
Very cheap (£27.50 a few years ago)- Sound good.
Was actually convinced to buy them instead of expensive ones by the salesman.
Nice one Thomann. 8^)
The spec requirement on close mic'ing toms is not stringent.
As long as they have a decent freq response and max spl they should work fine.
The biggest challenge with toms is getting them tuned properly.
A well sorted kit practically records itself.
It's when it sounds wrong that you have to work for it.
Poor man's Sennheisers.
Very cheap (£27.50 a few years ago)- Sound good.
Was actually convinced to buy them instead of expensive ones by the salesman.
Nice one Thomann. 8^)
The spec requirement on close mic'ing toms is not stringent.
As long as they have a decent freq response and max spl they should work fine.
The biggest challenge with toms is getting them tuned properly.
A well sorted kit practically records itself.
It's when it sounds wrong that you have to work for it.
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dnl88
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ok im convinced.
Im on a budget of $200 I nead a sm57 (ebay) and a good kick. what kick should I get? the sm57 is going to take about $70
Im on a budget of $200 I nead a sm57 (ebay) and a good kick. what kick should I get? the sm57 is going to take about $70
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5 String
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With 'kick' it depends on what sound you're trying to get.
Modern metal/thrash/death music usually requires a 'clicky' bass drum; lots of top and low.
For classic rock (best ex John Bonham) and new rock returning to classic tones you need more 'meat' - low mid
I use Shure SM91s for 'clicky' and an AKG D12E (wish I had a paper cone model) for 'meaty'
Personally I hate the AKG D112 but that's just me.
Thr Beyer M88 used to be popular for 'kick' but it's not cheap.
There are some good kick mics in the Audio Technica range.
The most frightening use of a mic for 'kick' was when an engineer I was working with shoved a vintage valve Neumann inside the drum.
I was horrified but the mic IS spec'd for high spl and it sounded great.
Modern metal/thrash/death music usually requires a 'clicky' bass drum; lots of top and low.
For classic rock (best ex John Bonham) and new rock returning to classic tones you need more 'meat' - low mid
I use Shure SM91s for 'clicky' and an AKG D12E (wish I had a paper cone model) for 'meaty'
Personally I hate the AKG D112 but that's just me.
Thr Beyer M88 used to be popular for 'kick' but it's not cheap.
There are some good kick mics in the Audio Technica range.
The most frightening use of a mic for 'kick' was when an engineer I was working with shoved a vintage valve Neumann inside the drum.
I was horrified but the mic IS spec'd for high spl and it sounded great.
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photoresistor
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I would suggest looking for a good deal on an AKG D-112 kick mic... I found mine for around $120-130 new. Other suggestions are the Audio Tehnica Pro 25 that can be found real cheap on Ebay and MF (I got mine for $40.... doesnt sound bad on the kick! I'm using it for floor tom though and it sounds pretty good for $40!).
Or, shure has a couple of kick mics that a fair amount of people like.... like Beta 52 or something.... dont have experience with them. Do some searches, theres a lot of info. Also, the style and type of drum kick sound you want can determine which mic you want.
Or, shure has a couple of kick mics that a fair amount of people like.... like Beta 52 or something.... dont have experience with them. Do some searches, theres a lot of info. Also, the style and type of drum kick sound you want can determine which mic you want.
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5 String
New member
On a slight tangent.
I discovered that the Audio Technica Pro37R, a short electret cap mic, gives great vfm whether on o/h, hat or just gen purpose duties.
I've known them to outperform a CK451.
I discovered that the Audio Technica Pro37R, a short electret cap mic, gives great vfm whether on o/h, hat or just gen purpose duties.
I've known them to outperform a CK451.
crazydoc
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Is vfm like head or something?5 String said:
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OneArmedScissor
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crazydoc said:Is vfm like head or something?
Sort of, but better. Little guys like you probably shouldn't know about this stuff, though.
Btw, if you are going that cheap with drum mics, you would probably be better off with two decent overhead mics than trying to get a mic on every tom. That isn't really necessary, and is probably a bad idea unless you really have suitable mics for it.
I really do not like 57s on toms.
Wireneck
New member
Ive got a AT pro 25 and Ill agree that its great for larger floor toms. ON the other hand I think it sucks major ass on kick. Keep in mind I do alot of Metal/hard rock but I didn't find it to be very usable in a kick drum setting.
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5 String
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Just in case you're NOT joking....
vfm = value for money
vfm = value for money
