mshilarious
Banned
Can you play it 100% though?
If you can, I'd call you a shredder
It didn't look that tough, it wasn't all picked. I think I could work up to that.
PS Do you really live in Ireland, because you have the accent on the wrong e
Farview
Well-known member
Well, I haven't tried in a number of years, but it wasn't that difficult when I was playing. It's mostly hammer-ons and pull-offs and it only seems fast because the tempo of the song is relatively slow.Can you play it 100% though?
If you can, I'd call you a shredder
Here is one of the guys I work with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KceDSAolwmY
That is shredding. I can't do that and I never could.
philbagg
Just Killing Time
I love this guy! Great tone, great guitar, amazing playing, and he seems like
a lot of fun
I'd be interested to see you play man.
PS Do you really live in Ireland, because you have the accent on the wrong e
Táim i mo chonai in Éireann(I am living in Ireland
)I really shoulda looked that up before I tried to remember my Irish from school.
Damn you bringing about my shame
Farview
Well-known member
I just sold my last electric a couple weeks ago. All I have left is an acoustic and a 5 string (which is for sale). Like I said, I stopped seriously playing almost 15 years ago. The only reason I pick up a guitar now is to help a client play something that he is too drunk to pull off.
philbagg
Just Killing Time
Farview
Well-known member
It wasn't talent as much as it was just hard work. I was a guitar player that should have been a drummer that should have been an engineer.I hate to see talent going to waste
FWIW I'm a technician, not an artist. I could play just about anything I wanted to, but I had nothing to say so it was pointless. Once grunge came along, I decided I didn't want to dress like a lumberjack and play sloppy, so I gave up. Being married with a house, daughter and opening a studio played into it as well. So did being in my mid 30's...
philbagg
Just Killing Time
Different strokes for different folks I guess
philbagg
Just Killing Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmE3QaGetn4&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=447B977301B3AB7D
Out of all styles of guitar, I believe this one is worth the most respect
Out of all styles of guitar, I believe this one is worth the most respect
Farview
Well-known member
Very cool. That's done with an open tuning to make it possible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmE3QaGetn4&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=447B977301B3AB7D
Out of all styles of guitar, I believe this one is worth the most respect
famous beagle
Well-known member
I love this guy! Great tone, great guitar, amazing playing, and he seems like
a lot of fun
I'd be interested to see you play man.
(I am living in Ireland
I really shoulda looked that up before I tried to remember my Irish from school.
Damn you bringing about my shame
Great tone????? Wow, you and I come from different worlds. I was just gonna say, "why is it that there seems to be a direct correlation between number of notes per second and crapiness of tone?"
famous beagle
Well-known member
Not trying to start anything here, but this statement seems a little arrogant. Could you shred Joe Pass bebop lines and Pat Metheny lines at that speed too?
Farview
Well-known member
The faster you play, the lighter your touch. The lighter your touch, the closer your strings are to the frets and other compromises that rob sustain from the instrument. That means you need more compression, which means gain to a lot of folks. And we all know that when you have too much gain, you end up turning up the upper mids and highs to try to get some clarity. So, you end up with a pissy, fuzzy tone.
Farview
Well-known member
If you had read the posts leading up to that one, you would have understood that I was exagerating a bit. I already said that I wasn't a shredder and that I couldn't play like the guy in the video.
My point was that I could do that Zakk solo and, therfore, that solo was not shredding.
I was from the 80's generation, so Van Halen, Randy Rhoads, Jake E Lee, Zakk, and all those other guys guitar work was just what you had to do to keep up. All it takes is discipline and practice.
I was never interested in playing like Yngwie and frankly didn't listen to people like Pat Metheny or Joe Pass, so I never sat down and woodshedded to make that happen.
The mechanics of playing the instrument isn't that tough, understanding music and what it takes to communicate a feeling to someone else through the music is a much bigger mountain to climb. Without the communication, the rest is just jerking off.
G
Gregois Le Punk
Banned
i like anybody that shreds!
M
mattdee1
Active member
philbagg
Just Killing Time
I think you've just answered all my prayers
cephus
Slow Children Playing
I don't know whit about zakk wylde except he's got one of the dumbest cartooney stage names. I watches some of the youtube vids of him playing solos and what is interesting is that you can hear people talking and sort of not paying attention. It is boring shit. Most of the patterns he's playing are not harmonically connected to any of the other patterns. So, I guess I'd call that non-musical. At least he's an old fart like me, though.
philbagg
Just Killing Time
That's "new" Zakk
Zakk back in the early 90's when he started withOzzy is "where its at" Better..... everything.
DrewPeterson7
Sage of the Order
Eh, I'm not sure I agree with that. "Shred" doesn't mean simply "anything that's fast." Rather, when used as a noun it refers to a genre - fast, technically proficcient, and often harmonically complex, and more often than not instrumental. Page was ripping through blues scales, true, but he was no more "shred" than Jimi Hendrix was. Alvin Lee, well, he's in a whole different ballpark, lol.
I actually took the exact opposite from that statement - there's a sort of humility that comes with realizing that, no matter how technically proficient you may be, if you don't have something to "say" then you're just spinning gears.
To a point... There are definitely exceptions, however. One of the things I love about Satriani is he's cut a lot of absolutely exceptional solos with very little gain - "Until We Say Goodbye," for instance. My experience has been that more important than a light touch is an even touch. I play mostly legato, and while I'm a little rusty these days (thanks to my f'in' job :/) I learned to play legato lines with a lot less gain than most "shred" players (and I'm not sure I'm good enough to fit into that category, but a lot of my influences are from there) by focusing on keeping a really even fretting hand, and making each note articulate clearly. Practicing unplugged was a real eye opener for this... Anyway, you don't really need much compression if you can keep all the notes pretty even in the first place, and for me I like having a tone I can work a bit with my picking attack, so...
But yeah, I've heard it argued that what killed "shred" wasn't grunge as much as it was a whole legion of players with the gain jacked up and the mids scooped for a really forgiving, easy-to-play lead sound that kicked ass in their bedrooms but absolutely couldn't cut live, so people eventually got sick of going to shows and seeing a player move his hands really fast, but having no idea what he was playing.