fat_fleet
Swollen Member
fat_fleet was gracious enough to play drums on this by the way. What a fuggin sweetie pie.
T
TripleM
Well-known member
Hey drums sound good. Everything about them. The only thing I might suggest is to back off the high-high end of the overheads just a db or two.
Guitars sound good to my ear. But I think there's too much clean stuff going on. There needs a crunch guitar there, just hitting sustained power chords.
What effects do you have on the vocal? The vocals are easy to make out, and they're very clear. Is there something going on with a subtle chorus or similar effect?
Nice playing all around.
Not much that I think needs to be improved. Good job.
Guitars sound good to my ear. But I think there's too much clean stuff going on. There needs a crunch guitar there, just hitting sustained power chords.
What effects do you have on the vocal? The vocals are easy to make out, and they're very clear. Is there something going on with a subtle chorus or similar effect?
Nice playing all around.
Not much that I think needs to be improved. Good job.
R
Robus
Well-known member
Nice groove there Fleet. Bass sounds real good. I agree with TM on the cymbals being a bit loud. More generally, I'd say you've got some upper midrange buildup going on. It's in the cymbals and vocals mainly, though some of the clean guitars might be adding to it. When I turn up the volume just to the edge of uncomfortable, that upper midrange makes me want to reach for the volume knob to turn it back down. That's my unscientific way of checking to see if anything is sticking out. I'm sure you'll hear what I mean.
I like the composition man! Interesting development and interplay between the guitars in the middle and later parts of the song. A little more work on separating the guitars by fine-tuning the levels and panning would pay off. I do a lot of layering and blending clean guitars in my music as well. There's a fine line--you want each guitar to have a distinct voice, but you want to hear the combined effect more than the individual guitars. I'm not sure you're quite there on this mix. A little hand-editing of the guitar clips to tighten up the timing could help too. Nothing major.
How did you record that delayed guitar sound in the intro?
I like the composition man! Interesting development and interplay between the guitars in the middle and later parts of the song. A little more work on separating the guitars by fine-tuning the levels and panning would pay off. I do a lot of layering and blending clean guitars in my music as well. There's a fine line--you want each guitar to have a distinct voice, but you want to hear the combined effect more than the individual guitars. I'm not sure you're quite there on this mix. A little hand-editing of the guitar clips to tighten up the timing could help too. Nothing major.
How did you record that delayed guitar sound in the intro?
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Hand-editing of the guitar clips?? Where? Specific time markers please.
rayc
retroreprobate
Erik,
Coll stuff - esp the psych/trippy touches.
Some of the "doubled?" guitar parts seem to not quite harmonise but I figure you knew & intended that.
I'm quite comfy with your vocal but I'd love to hear a brighter vocal on this.
Cool.
Coll stuff - esp the psych/trippy touches.
Some of the "doubled?" guitar parts seem to not quite harmonise but I figure you knew & intended that.
I'm quite comfy with your vocal but I'd love to hear a brighter vocal on this.
Cool.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
You don't want to know how many times I retracked that rhythm guitar part with different amp settings, p'up combos, clean, dirty, etc. You're right though, that part needs a little more bite. I probably won't go full crunch, but I need to get more ringing chime out of it. I've got some ideas and might retrack the part.
That would be the effect of them being too loud. I pulled them back after being horrified by their clarity.
No chorus, but I do double track them. The second track sits pretty low in the mix, but it could easily be a little loose in places.
Thanks M[SUP]3[/SUP].
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Thanks Ray. I did put a new mix up a couple hours ago so you're probably hearing that..
I'll let this one gestate and then look at that vocal timbre.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Are you talking about the wonky note around 3.20 by any chance?
ido1957
9K Gold Member
Lots of cool sections and change ups in this one - similar to the comment I made with Armistice's these are my favorite songs.
WRT Ray's comment I noticed something as well.
One of the lead guitars does a bend that is a little dissonant during the dual guitar part.
Around 2:25 the rhythms/leads sound out of tune again this may be deliberate just not sure...
Other than that the vocals are too low for me - not much but a little. But then I like my vocals LOUD lol....
WRT Ray's comment I noticed something as well.
One of the lead guitars does a bend that is a little dissonant during the dual guitar part.
Around 2:25 the rhythms/leads sound out of tune again this may be deliberate just not sure...
Other than that the vocals are too low for me - not much but a little. But then I like my vocals LOUD lol....
robgreen
no face
Caught a quick listen to this the other day but didn't get chance to comment. When I listened then it seemed like there was a harshness over the mix, like an overhyped exciter on the master or something. I'm not hearing that now, so I'm guessing you've changed something and this is an updated mix from the original?
Anyway, sounds awesome man. Love the guitar tones, especially at the breakdown around 3.30ish and the vocal layers at about 3.00. Really nice stuff
So, now you've got the first 4 minutes, just need to nail the remaining 16 and you're done I think...
Anyway, sounds awesome man. Love the guitar tones, especially at the breakdown around 3.30ish and the vocal layers at about 3.00. Really nice stuff
So, now you've got the first 4 minutes, just need to nail the remaining 16 and you're done I think...
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Ok, I've made some changes but I'm still not done. I retracked the rhythm guitar for a bitier tone, and retracked the harmony leads in the verse, but I'm probably gonna redo em again tonight because the tone came out a little thin. I like the new rhythm tone but don't think the levels and panning are home yet.
A couple guitar parts on this (the solo between the verses and a phrase during the 2nd verse) are through a Boss HR-2 Harmonist.. One thing I like about it is it's fairly unpredictable in what it throws out when I bend or go a little off scale, so it can add sort of a chaotic element to a part that's otherwise pretty rigidly composed.. but I wonder SOME of the dissonances you guys hear might have something to do with that?
No definitely not deliberate, thanks.. I retracked it.
Anyways, there's a newer mix posted at the original link. Listening to it, I think the rhythm gits gotta come down another dB and lead vox maybe nudged up a hair so there will probably be another version later tonight with those changes. Thanks for the input guys.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Caught a quick listen to this the other day but didn't get chance to comment. When I listened then it seemed like there was a harshness over the mix, like an overhyped exciter on the master or something. I'm not hearing that now, so I'm guessing you've changed something and this is an updated mix from the original?
Anyway, sounds awesome man. Love the guitar tones, especially at the breakdown around 3.30ish and the vocal layers at about 3.00. Really nice stuff
So, now you've got the first 4 minutes, just need to nail the remaining 16 and you're done I think...
Haha, thanks Rob. Yeah, I'm constantly updating the OP mix, sometimes in response to feedback.. sometimes based on what I'm hearing, and I don't necessarily bump the thread every time. Good to hear from you man.
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TripleM
Well-known member
Going from memory from the first mix...
I'm hearing a more natural sounding vocal. But then I think my ears might have been "off" when listening the first time. The vocal level seems a bit further back in the mix now. I think it needs to come up a bit. There is a bit more clarity to the instruments than the vocal. That can easily happen when the vocal is double tracked. You might want to pull down one of the doubled tracks a few dbs (but then you'll have to raise the "total" vocal track even more). Then maybe a 5K boost would help too.
The kick is a bit woofy to my ear. You might want to remove some 600hz to reduce it.
Minor complaints. It sounds good.
I'm hearing a more natural sounding vocal. But then I think my ears might have been "off" when listening the first time. The vocal level seems a bit further back in the mix now. I think it needs to come up a bit. There is a bit more clarity to the instruments than the vocal. That can easily happen when the vocal is double tracked. You might want to pull down one of the doubled tracks a few dbs (but then you'll have to raise the "total" vocal track even more). Then maybe a 5K boost would help too.
The kick is a bit woofy to my ear. You might want to remove some 600hz to reduce it.
Minor complaints. It sounds good.
R
Robus
Well-known member
Listening to the new mix. Harshness is gone. Bass is at a good level and well played. Vocals still getting buried by the guitars. You asked about where to tighten up the guitars. For example, the four measure run that begins at 0:46. It's not a big deal. You've got a loose, jam band vibe. I would still would prefer more separation in the guitars. We haven't had much of this kind of music posted on the clinic, glad to see it.
mjbphotos
Moderator
During the guitar part around 1:10 they guitars are getting muddy/indistinct. The cymbals/high end are a little loud overall, and the lead vocals need to come up a bit in volume.
Around 2:20 it overall gets a little harsh, think its a combination of the guitars, vocals and the cymbals.
The harshness is not noticeable around 3:30, so guessing it was those guitars earlier doing it.
The ending seems cut off.
Around 2:20 it overall gets a little harsh, think its a combination of the guitars, vocals and the cymbals.
The harshness is not noticeable around 3:30, so guessing it was those guitars earlier doing it.
The ending seems cut off.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Ok, new mix up since late last night.. Vocals are louder, but still need to come up a hair in places, rhythm guitars are lower, and retracked the little leads during the verses. Thinking of retracking a few of the vocal lines now too.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Thanks Robus.. I'm fine with the timing there. Not even sure the guitar is the culprit. I slide into one of those chords from a half-step down, but that was totally intentional. I do that alot actually. I've played with people that said, "I thought that was a mistake, then you did it every single time in the same place."
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Dang, I thought I tamed that section. I'll look at it again, thanks.
easlern
Boredom artist
Really like the groove and progression. The vox seem really thin though, maybe you could beef them up with an overdub or two? Wow the guitar tone after the first chorus. Everything seemed well balanced to me but the vocal seems set back quite a bit the way I hear it. Maybe bring it up/forward. Nice song, love the bass tone.