SEWER/NIGHTOUT w DRUMZ

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Hi,

-I'd like the drums a little more up front.
-Toms sound a little too up front compared to the drum, maybe add a little reverb on them?
-I like what you did with the kickdrum, made it kinda clicky but you don't really hear the click but it helps cutting trough.
-Cymbals sound a tiny tiny tad overcompressed.

-Vox could use some kind of light multiband on 200hz, so you could decrease mud without decreasing warmth.


Anyho I'm not to familiar with this style but I hope some tips may help?!


Nice mix !!
 
rayc said:
Ah. I thought I'd sneak in a reduced vocal & get away with it but you folks were LISTENING1 Not fair. OK,
I'll pop the vox a bit & look at melding them a little as well. Does anyone concur with l'chien homme regarding the vox sitting, intermittently, astride rather than being a part of the whole?
I mean I trust you Dogman, but I need a cross reference.
MoreVox done..
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=6409835&q=hi
Greg, I found the "ducking" it seems the final compressor I was using, ever so lightly I thought, was doing it when the vox became particularly powerful - it wasn't evident - I think it's because there are some subsonic artifacts in the original vocal track - it's happened before. I'll have to spend some time to fix it.
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This one sounds better...I think the quieter music was letting me hear the vocals over the music too much. This seems to gel a bit better. I now hear all the drum parts meshed well with the music, nothing really taking space from anything else. The synth also sounds more part of the track at this volume. Seems like what you did put some glue on the parts. They all sound more cohesive.
 
Hey ray,

I'm weighing in a bit late on this one, but I have been following the progression of mixes (a process i always enjoy):).

Please don't take offense, but I don't hear the vocals as sitting with, or melding with, the music very well at all. Now I do prefer this latest mix with regard to the instruments...better clarity and separation...the cymbals seem to have been cleaned up a bit versus a few versions ago...which i like.

But, the vocal track to me sounds pretty boomy (especially around the 2:30 mark) and lacking in high end. I went back and listened to after the burning (better in this regard), and gimli's lament. Now the vocals on gimli's lament sound so much better to me...clearer & crisper, yet not lacking in body. I think because of this, those vocals sit better in that mix than these do in this one. If there is anyway you can move more towards that sound with this vocal track, i would recommend it. That may not be realistic though depending on how they each were tracked.

I really like the tune...nicely layered and very original. I was playing one of these versions on saturday and a friend was over and he immediately perked up and wanted to hear more of this. He thought it had a nice retro vibe and was very impressed...but then again, what do either of us know ;)?

I really apologize if i am way off base here, but that is how i hear it.
 
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=6409835&q=hi
Old antipodean proverb:
"Never pass up the opportunity to post an update."
This one:
Is sans final mix compression;
Has had some serious sub 80Hz scrubbing in vox & flute;
Has the drums at their original level
and
As a result is a little more dynamic & kinder to a few frequencies.
I had slapped a Modern FVLM comp/limiter thingo across the mix to compensate for the lack of drums I guess (I thought it was subtle & would fill up the spaces - shows I'm not a sensitive new age guy as I was oblivious to it's foot stomping on a face forever) & neglected to remove it when the space was filled.
Bloor - I'm holding out for a retracking of the vox -the one on this has embedded FX. Hopefully it will all sound a bit better balanced with the foot removed. Thanks for the detailed critique - I needed it.
Dogman - ta for the close listen - your assessment of the vocal has been validated - good ears & I'm working on it.
Heatmiser - fear not! I post for feedback not a backrub (though I do have a tense spot just below the R shoulder blade if you could re...). There's alot of bottom end in the vox courtesy of the FX (top end too - sssing all over) & none of the EQ plug I have seem to be able to remove the majority of it - I may have to resort to mu outboard subtractive EQ (Altec Lansing Electro Voicette) to address it if I don't get a replacement track. I appreciate your comments even more so because of the cross referencing with other tracks.
I'm chuffed that you were playing the track outloud enough for someone else to hear - I'm stoked that someone else actually had their interest peaked by it.
Point of interest - the [icture accompanying the track is of the wave file of a track that had a similar bottom end issue - it caused major distortion BUT ONLY in an MP3 - weird.
 
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Sounds better Ray. Vox sound smoother, but they are still on top of the mix instead of in it. Just keep dropping it little by little till it sits right in there. Everything else sounds great.
 
I can hear the vocals really well now. I agree with Greg that the vocals are a tiny bit loud and sit just slightly above the mix. It's so close though and I really like hearing Terry's vocals so just a tweak should do it. :D The rest sounds good. That panned section towards the end is cool :cool:
 
cool old school groove...
reminds me of roxy music...
maybe crossed with simple minds and the cars...

have to agree with blor007, i think the drums are too weak, and the vox too hot....
actually, maybe the drum mix is fine, but the vox is so hot, it's sitting on the drum tracks.
it's tricky, to find just the right levels that glue everything together-

the vox are a bit muddy, and could use some high end clarity on them...
maybe a bit at around 2khz, and then a touch more at around 10khz to give some 'air' to it....
i dig the flute track.....
that's not something you hear very often, unless it's a J tull song......!
LOL
nice touch.
it'd be cool to hear a little bit of vocal harmony here and there...
 
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Sorry FB,
I started relieving at a new level of job on Monday & it's added an extra 2 hrs to my working day. I'll get to it on the weekend. Mayhap Terry will have forwarded something as well & I can go bonkers on it.
I just remembered - it's my turn to provide lunch at work tomorrow - Friday -(we do it in pairs - put on m/tea & lunch for 8 other colleagues - just to ensure we sit down & chat for an 1/2 hour) - I'd better get the chilli sauce I made out & ready to take in the morning. I'd best bolt - cheers!
 
Very interesting song, Ray. Still find that the vocals are too far in front though. Instrumentation is great, drums sit nicely, nice lyrics. Maybe some strange vocal harmonies here and there?

Cheers
Joe
 
Nice tune, I love the spacey stuff you write.
as mentioned the Vox could come a bit down on this tune.

I really dig the bass on this one, very cool phrasing:)

And who can not dig the flute, some exelent chops there.


and as allways I really dig the lyrics:)
 
NEW MIX - less vox.

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=6409835&q=hi
Here's a slight remix with the vox lower.
Some strange harmonies might be a cool thing joeym. I'll talk to Terry about it. thanks for your ideas.
Nakatira - Thanks mate. A particular ta re the bass comment. The only stuff I was nervous about ws the bass line. Simple in the opening & then becomeing complex - I was worried that the change would be too jarring or inconsistent. I was also concerned about the run down to the da da da dah tag. Seems, since you like it, that it worked.
 
Bass sounds fat, very different from the rest of the songs there. It *envelopes* everything else nicely and pairs just fine with the drums.
Voice issue is not really about the volume, but I think could be rather solved with some brighter eq.
 
rayc said:
Here's a slight remix with the vox lower.
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I love that song -- the mix seems right to me now. The vocals sort of disappear in the mix a little, but I kind of like the effect. If you wanted to make them stand out more, maybe trying notching them in somewhere with EQ? I don't think I (personally) would mess with it, though.

edit: FDM - beat me to the EQ thing :D
 
liking the new mix...it does sound like there is better balance. FDM managed to succinctly sum up what I was trying to say about the vocals in my long rambling post earlier. I still wish they were brighter. Otherwise, great.
 
Let me add my vote to say that the mix sounds great now. The effected vocals are working okay - that's a tough thing to blend in but you did well. I'd still recommend dry vocals but you've done, what we designers call, a good workaround.
 
FDM - fat bass - ta! that was with a Behringer Bass DI. Worked OK for a cheapie.
antichef - thanks mate. I can't brighten the vox because of the sib problem. So I'll take your advice.
faderbug - that suggests I leave well enough alone - so I will - ta!
Greg_L - thanks. I'll take that as concurring with FB.
heatmiser - thanks mate - as stated - BMControl I'm afraid but they seems to fit - perhaps I'll toy with something across the top that lifts that a little.
ido1957 - thanks my friend. FB educated me in the perserverance needed to workaround & not give up. I'll have to buy a little hand blender next.
 
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