Setting up Sonar with Audiophile

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Finally got my audiophile up so that it can record both analog and S/PDIF signals at the same time. (thanks to acidrock)

now, my Sonar is acting all funny due to the setting change. I can't even play the previous recorded tracks. I screwed around with the sampling rate cuz my POD Pro only supports 44.1/48KHZ and I am using it as my master clock (?). I am not sure, it's funny that the tempo of a song would change if I change the digital sync on my POD around.

Anyways, my question is now, how should I set Sonar up to work? I am totally lost since the change in Audiophile.

Thanks

AL
 
Sample rate is the clock setting,if you record a project at 48khz and then sync it to a 44.1 clock it will not sound right and vice versa.
You will have to set your pods sample rate to whatever the original projects sample rate was set at.
I would recommend working with a 44.1 sample rate on any future projects as this is easier to work with in general.
If you are looking for better sound quality I would recommend going to 24 bits in your options/audio settings in sonar.
There has been some debate about this but thats another subject.
REMEMBER...the higher the bitrate,the higher the sample rate, the more strain on your computer and more disk space that is used.Standard cd's are 16bit/44.1 khz.
You can find sample rate settings in the delta hardware settings tab in your mixer panel.
SO..THE POD..THE DELTA PANEL AND SONAR...must all have the same sample rate settings.
I asume your media player defaults at 44.1 also.
GOOD LUCK!
 
Acidrock:


hello again. My problem is now I CAN play the wav. files back, but I can't hear a thing. I see the meter move, but I can't hear what it's saying.

I went in option/audio and checked, but only got more confused...I tried to play around with the monitor output, and it pops a window says driver error, and asks me to disable them or somehting. How do I set it up so it can work with the new settings in Audiophile?

AL
 
I need to know what os you're running(ie 98..2000..etc).
Also what drivers are you using deltapanel/about somewhere this will be listed.
This may sound wierd but go to the console view in sonar and at the bottom of all your virtual mains switch the output to spdif not waveout.See if this works.
I am using the .27 drivers in 98se as the newer drivers have had problems with this os.
As far as monitor output the only outputs you want are spdif and waveout.
It may say that a driver is being shared by another program but click use anyway.
Also do you have another soundcard installed?
 
os: 98se
driver:4.1.22.38
panel: 1.02.05


I went to the console view in Sonar, and the only things I could change were midi options. Is that what you were talking about?

Audiophile is my only soundcard currently.

let me know if you need more info to help out here. Thank you very much

AL
 
Boy I had problems with the .38 drivers but I believe they are multiclient.
If you're using these drivers my fix is irelevant.
You can check your mains at the bottom of your track view make sure you have a track asigned to one of your mains play it back and see if the meter registers in the main.
Also is a track soloed?
Is a track muted?
If so uncheck these for now.
Does your media player work?
 
I will download the .27 driver and let you know my status after I install it.

AL
 
I "upgraded" my Audiophile to driver .27 as well 2 weeks ago....

first, download the driver's DeltaUninstaller.exe first from the website and run it to uninstall the current driver.

Then, just run del22.27.exe (which should be the file you download) and that's it... :)

Now my Audiophile is working like a charm.... :)
 
thanks, Leeking

I uninstalled the old driver, and I am now having a problem installing the new 27 driver. I first extracked the file downloaded from midiman's site, and I got 5 non exe. files like "revision, deltacpl, deltapnl.ex_, Ma_delta, and Ma_delta.vx"

what do I do now?
 
ok, now remember where you put this extracted files...

now go to System Properties/Device Manager and disable/remove the Audiophile there....

this is so that after you restart your PC, it will detect the Audiophile as a new hardware and will attempt to install it. Your PC will prompt you for the driver and you select the folder where the extracted files are....

That should do the trick. :)

Good luck!
 
Thanks, Leeking. I got the .27 driver installed now.

Ok, Acidrock, we are on the same boat now. Walk me through this.

AL
 
I am assuming by your reply that things still are'nt going well.
Remember I'm no expert it's just that I'm runing sonar ,98se and audiophile and it's working for me.
Some people have been getting crackling noises with 98se and the post .27 drivers and thats why I questioned it.I should have been more specific.
Did you run your wave profiler?If not go to options/audio and click wave profiler.
If a dialog box comes up asking you about a driver the only ones you want enabled are spdif and wave out.
If it says one of these drivers is shared it could be that you have another audio program installed but click use anyway.
Now you have to close sonar and re-enter it for these settings to take place.
I would check and see if it is working now.

If not go to start/programs/accessories/entertainment/sound recorder and try recording something in there.
If this does'nt work you probably have a sound card problem.

Other things to check
control panel multimedia settings set them to the proper settigs or any available device.
control panels/system/ device manager do you have any yellow backed exclamation marks on sound video and game controllers

Now the weird thing in my setup is all my mains/busses have got to be set to spdif for me to get audio output this is probably a driver sharing conflict related problem,just guessing though.

My last thought is are you runing games or some other program that might be messing up your audio settings?


You might be getting close to the dreaded tech support solution get back with how your doing lets get this thing going!!!!!
 
acidrock:

Ok, let me tell you exactly how my soundcard mixer and sonar are setup, and you correct me if any of them is wrong.

Audiophile mixer:
Monitor Mixer=all faders up, no mute/solo box clicked
Patchbay/Router= Monitor mixer for both W/H out 1/2 and W/H 1/2 out S/PDIF
Hardware setting=S/PDIF in, sampling rate 48k, single and in sync
S/PDIF= consumer

Sonar:
playback timing master=2. Waves out S/PDIF Delta ap
record timing master= pcm in 1/2 delta ap, sampling rate 48k, 24bit
Input monitoring= pcm in delta ap
Drivers= Input drivers: pcm in 1/2 delta ap
Output drivers: 1:wavOut 1/2 delta ap
2: wavOut S/PDIF delta ap

wait a minute, I am getting something interesting here. I imported an mp3 file, and it plays and records fine. But, I can't do anything with the tracks I recorded before...
 
Input drivers should list
pcm in1/2 delta audiophile
spdif in delta ap
monitor mixer delta ap

As far as input monitoring thats pretty dicey with 98se as it does'nt fully support wdm drivers.You may want to disable this.

Were your old files recorded at a different sample rate ?
You may have to reset the rate to play these.

Could you please redefine what problems you have at this moment.
From what I can tell you are able to record new stuff but can't replay old files.Is this correct?

In the previous thread you complained of dropouts,is this still an issue?

Anything else?

Lets get this thing going so you can do some recording.
I went through hell trying to get myself setup.I'm an older guy who never had a computer and went headfirst into this madness and I don't think anybody should have to go through the same crap I did.

It should be about making music not swearing at your computer.

LATER!
 
Acidrock:

I truely agree with your view on "It should be about making music not swearing at your computer".

Ok, let's get this going,

1) I only have one input driver listed in Sonar, which is PCM in 1/2 Delta AP. How do I add more?
2) I clicked " Always use MME even when WDM drivers are available". Is that what you mean by disabling WDM drivers??
3) Good call, I switched back to 96k and I am now able to play previous recorded tracks.
4) Currewnt problems with Sonar: Can't press the record button(it wont turn red) Does this have to do with my input drivers?
5) Dropout still happens, but only happens when I have big plug-ins running. So, it's not as bad as before.

AL
 
oh, another thing. Should I set POD to be the master clock or internal clock?

thanks
 
First off imho you should pick one sampling rate and stick with it from now on.
If you want to use your pod you need to pick a sample rate it supports(ie 44.1/48khz).
I suggested earlier a 44.1 rate because it translates to cd burning and consumer level hardware.
You can work high sample rates down to 44.1 but its easier to just start at that rate.(you'd need a special program or would have to go analog ughh!)
When working with digital signals the first unit in the chain is the master this would be the pod.
A slave recieves a signal.
Think of digital as a team of horses the leader sets the pace(sample rate) the rest follow.
If you set your soundcard as slave(spdif in)you probably should leave your pod plugged in and on while your recording even if you're using the pcm inputs as the pod will be the master clock.

Did you run the wave profiler?

Did you disable the wave device for voice modem in tne control panel/system/device manager?
When I did this it wiped out my inputs much as you described.
You may want to re-enable this if this is the case.This may sound odd but hey it worked for me.

Are you refering to the record button on the transport bar or in the indvidual track?

As far as wdm drivers go don't worry about them until you upgrade to 2000 or xp they say 98se supports them but its a crock.
Wdm drivers are good for realtime synth playing and input monitoring.
 
ok, so I guess I will set POD as my master clock at 48k.

yes, I have ran the wav profiler several times, it always says sucessful, but never really worked. An interesting thing is it says "16bit" when it's running. Doe thst mean anything?

I do recall somehting about disabling the wave device for voice modem, however, I can't find it under device manager anymore...

Record button on each track. I can solo/mute each track, but I can't press the record ubtton on Analog tracks.

thanks

AL
 
You know there is the chance that I'm screwing you up more than anything but I'll keep on going if you think it's helping.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAS SOME INPUT ON THIS?

Go to start/settings/control panel/multimedia/devices
clickon audio devices
It should show four items
audio for mixer
audio for pcm
audio for spdif
audio for voice modem serial wave device

If the voice wave device shows up double click it and enable
If it does'nt show up or for that matter any of the other items your drivers are not installed properly

you can get installation instructions at m-audio's site

Now just to clarify when I said that only spdif and wave out outputs should be enabled that was in sonar not the control panel.

I think if we get the drivers issue resolved the record button thing may follow suit.

I still wonder if there is'nt another program that's not sharing drivers or screwing things up.
I'm by no means an authority on these things I'm just letting you know what worked for me as we have very similar setups.
 
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