Screamo song

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Let me know what you think. Criticism as well as advice is welcomed. Don't be afraid to be slightly rude in your honesty. I've dome better. For me, this recording is like 7-8 out of 10, 10 being my best recordings and seven being my worst.
 
this link mysapce.com/wediealonetheband does not work. I tried putting www. in front of it and still nothing?

I tried.

Edit: I got it now.

Listened twice now, First thing that struck me was the kick sound. On my system it sounds strangley like its got alot of mid in it. Sort of muddy to me.

Once the stready rythem guitars get going at 32 seconds in it sounds like the RH guitar needs to come up a little.

I would personaly try panning the guitars at like 50% when its jumping from side to side. When the rythem is going steady it works ok for me. When it's jumping back and forth it makes it seem like there are big blank spots to me.

The old record sound at about 4:10 is really harsh on the ear to me and I'm not cranking it either. I would pull that down some or try to tame the offensive freq. You can still have that effect without it being painfull to the ear.

All this being said. It's a cool song. I like what your going for. I can't really comment on the screaming, not my bag.

It's coming along very well.


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Ok I listened....

Wow dude. Did you just grab a mic and put it in the center of your garage and got your band playing? THat's what it sounds like.

It's too muddy. Learn to pann your guitars. Record every instrument individually. Add mids to your amp. What equipment did you use?
 
myhatbroke said:
Ok I listened....

Wow dude. Did you just grab a mic and put it in the center of your garage and got your band playing? THat's what it sounds like.

It's too muddy. Learn to pann your guitars. Record every instrument individually. Add mids to your amp. What equipment did you use?
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Bit overdone don't you think? Ever hear of constructive criticism.

Ya dude you got a ways to go and so do I and most everyone here.

You're 15. If you were better than everyone here we'd all cry;)
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Newbie dude:

One thing you could do is make sure you're running a hi pass or low cutt on almost everything but the kick. take off everything from about 80hz down (or higher if you can get away with it) on most of your tracks and it should clean up some.

try boosting a few db's somewhere around 2k to 2.5 k on the guitars. you'll be able to pull the fader back a bit when you do that. I usually try to offset between guitars a bit. I may do a 2k boost on one and a 2.4k boost on the other (if I need to). Mess around with it and see what guitar sounds better boosted where. I just try to avoid boosting both in the same place so they are not on top of each other. You may not have to boost either. If I am happy with the sound of my guitars and they are both distinct I do nothing. I think you will need to though. Next time try to fix it at the source (the amp). Piss the guitarists off by turning the bass knob down half way. It's funn and makes for interesting conversations;) Everyone wants to feel their instrument, but it just doesn't work. Feel Drums and bass (not as much as the bass player wants) and hear the rest.

Are you mixing on monitors? If not you need to get some with good low end reproduction. The best mic's in the world won't do you much good if you can't hear what your doing.

Good luck

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yeah, I use M-Audio DX4's. They Suck at bass management. I always have to remember to turn the bass down so that it doesn't sound quite loud enough, and then it'll be perfect. I guess I just didn't turn it down enough. And I'll try the 50 percent guitar panning and cutting the lows.
 
okay okay. I apologize Myhatrbroke for the last post about you. I was just in a bad mood. In fact, I hate typos too, and I might have done the same thing. Anyways, that was uncalled for and I apologize.

Well, this is how it was recorded. It's not my band, its my friend's band, but anyways. We recorded in my basement. For the guitar track, I used sm57's. On two of the tracks, I miced up close and straightforward. For another I placed the 57 6 inches back. For the gourth guitar track, I recorded up close at a 45 degree angle.

For the bass, I recorded direct. I wanted him to redo the bass, cause it was a shitty take, but he decided he'd rather hang out with his girlfriend that day, so I just said whatever. He can sound stupid on the song if he wants.

For the drums, I Use a studio projects b1 condenser with the 10 db pad on it[ I didn't know if the db levels would fuck my mic up] for an overhead and used a cheap digital reference mic[ I left my 57 at my drummer's house] to mic the kick. I don't play drums, so I don't have equipment to record drums.

For the clean vocals, I use a studio projects b1.

For the screams, I used that digital reference[ Didn't have my 57, and he said he needed to hld the mic].

I had to mix the song in about three minutes Cause they had to go and demanded to have it on cd that night, and said the mix was fine. And I didn't really care if they were fine with it.
 
Newbie dude said:
yeah, I use M-Audio DX4's. They Suck at bass management. I always have to remember to turn the bass down so that it doesn't sound quite loud enough, and then it'll be perfect. I guess I just didn't turn it down enough. And I'll try the 50 percent guitar panning and cutting the lows.
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I started mixing on some small speakers years ago and took a cd out to my car (had a killer stereo) and instantly blew a speaker :eek:

Ya, small speakers can make it hard to mix. I moved to tannnoy proto-j's and they where better. I only really got a handle on it when I got my BX8's though because then I could mix it how I thought it should sound and it came out pretty good when taken to other systems.

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Newbie dude said:
Didn't have my 57, and he said he needed to hld the mic.

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He has got to get over that. I know it's what he's used too but at some point it needs to change and there's no time like the present.


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Well, I don't have alot of experience with screamo bands, Metallica is about as metal as I get, but he says he had to scream into his hands while its holding the end of the mic to make the right sound, and you can't hold the condenser or anything like that.
 
Newbie dude said:
Well, I don't have alot of experience with screamo bands, Metallica is about as metal as I get, but he says he had to scream into his hands while its holding the end of the mic to make the right sound, and you can't hold the condenser or anything like that.
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Tell him he's a knob
 
You have great equipment for a newbie. First off, why did you have so many micing positions on the guitar amp? I mean you can do that but you have to know what you are doing. It seems like you just randomly chose to put em that way.

Try this:

Place the sm57 on the center cone as close as possible but dont touch it

Then get the SP b1 mic and put it about 2 to 3 feet away to capture that "bottled" sound

I'm guessing you don't have a preamp so they go straight to a mixer right?

Use a preamp if you have one.

Record that heavy riff that is on the left on your recording right now, two times and pan the sm57 recordings hard left and hard right. THe b1 recordins have em about 25% left and 25% right.

Now that track you have on the right, right now. It sounds like its doing mostly leads, you know high end stuff. So record it once with the same set up. Leave the sm57 track in the center and pann the b1 right about 30%

It takes time dude. I'm just guesstimating on what would sound good but try experimenting that.
 
oh and for the vocals just tell the guy to not swallow the mic next time and find a good pop filter.
 
The mics go into the preamps in my firebox.

The reason I did different micings is cause whenever I record heavy music, my guitars tend to mush together, and so I trie to get different tones on each track, and I heard different micings help.

The band really wanted one guitarist's track on the right and one's on the left for this song, so thats How I panned them. I guess it just didn't occur to me to make other tracks for the guitars during parts where they're playing at the same time and pan them differently. I might try that. I dunno, my computer's already popping like crazy cause I have so many tracks and effects on.
 
I couldn't put a pop filter on it cause he had to put his hands on it and his mouth in his hand and all that crap. He moved around with it.

By the way, the distortion on the screams is intentional. I don't really like it, but thats what they wanted.
 
Newbie dude said:
The mics go into the preamps in my firebox.

The reason I did different micings is cause whenever I record heavy music, my guitars tend to mush together, and so I trie to get different tones on each track, and I heard different micings help.

The band really wanted one guitarist's track on the right and one's on the left for this song, so thats How I panned them. I guess it just didn't occur to me to make other tracks for the guitars during parts where they're playing at the same time and pan them differently. I might try that. I dunno, my computer's already popping like crazy cause I have so many tracks and effects on.
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Well first, don't use effects till the final stages and second YOU are the producer and you tell them to shut the fuck up because it ain't gonna work. To get a thick sound, you have to play the same thing twice and pann em on opposite directions. Your recording lacks alot of low end. Use the sm57 for the bass too and let it sit in the center. I actually can't even hear the bass guitar.
 
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