Screamed vocals

[chamelious]

There are a million tutorials on the web, so far i haven't found a single one thats actually been any help to me. Most of them just seem to be demonstrations. Any one else had any better luck, or any screamers out there able to do an explain?

Cheers

 

[Opivy]

I never cared for that style of singing very much - but I absoutely love the band "Dimmu Borgir".

I think the method, especially on "Enthrone Darkness Triumphant" is you get really really mad before you sing anything.

Not to mention I bet it kills your throat - hehe.

Really though, I have no idea - I'd like to see some advice from screamers.

 

[chamelious]

I never cared for that style of singing very much - but I absoutely love the band "Dimmu Borgir".

I think the method, especially on "Enthrone Darkness Triumphant" is you get really really mad before you sing anything.

Not to mention I bet it kills your throat - hehe.

Really though, I have no idea - I'd like to see some advice from screamers.

Thats the way to do it if you want to have no voice in a year or twos time

 

[deibid]

check out "the zen of screaming" by melissa cross

 

[benherron.rrr]

Not my area either, all I could suggest is to smoke 1000 cigs before you start . I cant scream it just tickles my throat after 20 seconds then im caughing for 5 mins after I try. I dont know if its one of those things you can do or you cant. try singing properly and write lyrics that express what you try to convay when one screams

 

[chamelious]

Not my area either, all I could suggest is to smoke 1000 cigs before you start . I cant scream it just tickles my throat after 20 seconds then im caughing for 5 mins after I try. I dont know if its one of those things you can do or you cant. try singing properly and write lyrics that express what you try to convay when one screams

Smokings just going to reduce your lung capacity, probably not a good idea if you're any kind of vocalist.

 

[Greg_L]

You either have it or you don't.


I would imagine though, and this is just a guess, that instead of crouching down like most dorky screamo types do, standing tall and keeping the mic high would keep your throat more open, your diaphragm in a more efficient position, and make the screaming part more natural and easier. Works for Lemmy.

Try this: hunch over, put your head on your knees, and take deep breaths and exhale. It sucks, right? Now stand tall and take deep breaths and exhale. Whichever seems easier is probably how you should do it and hopefully you have what it takes to make it work.

 

[Yonce N Mild]

Screaming, just let it rip. If you hold back you're gonna hurt yourself. Stay nice and loose and get your voice to breakup by pushing more air through not by tightening your throat. All the things that apply to regular singing apply to screaming as well. Stay hydrated, well rested, well fed and always warm up.

 

[Yonce N Mild]

You either have it or you don't.


I would imagine though, and this is just a guess, that instead of crouching down like most dorky screamo types do, standing tall and keeping the mic high would keep your throat more open, your diaphragm in a more efficient position, and make the screaming part more natural and easier. Works for Lemmy.

Try this: hunch over, put your head on your knees, and take deep breaths and exhale. It sucks, right? Now stand tall and take deep breaths and exhale. Whichever seems easier is probably how you should do it and hopefully you have what it takes to make it work.

Bending down can help you push the air out a little harder and I think guys that do that are also really flexing their stomach muscles which kinda naturally bends you over. You gotta stand up to get a full breath though.


Personally I have the best luck standing up with my head tilted back, just like you said.

 

[Atom Bomb]

Smokings just going to reduce your lung capacity, probably not a good idea if you're any kind of vocalist.

The rat pack proves this statement wrong.

Sinatra Sang and Smoked at the same time.

If memory serves he was quite a succesful vocalist. As was sammy davis junior, dean martin, curt kobain, james hetfield, tim armstrong,

to name a few.


Anyways....


Screaming will come naturally. If you let it be natural to your voice.

I've recorded a few screamo bands and the biggest issue was the vocalists constant need ot mimic someone else sound...

One instance i did that stands out the band was really dumping on the vocalist, casue he didn't sound like the guy from underoath or inflames or whatever band did that.

And he was really focusing more on getting 'that' sound. Im not sure as much for himself but becasue of the pressure put on him from his bro's.

When i told the othe guys to shut the fuck up and told told the vocalist to do it naturally and just belt it out it sounded a bit more respectable. And more natural.


I also raised his mic to eye level to naturally get his head tilted back and to piss him off.


It worked in that case.

Good luck.

 

[Greg_L]

Bending down can help you push the air out a little harder and I think guys that do that are also really flexing their stomach muscles which kinda naturally bends you over. You gotta stand up to get a full breath though.


Personally I have the best luck standing up with my head tilted back, just like you said.

Bending over has very little to do with your diaphragm though. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the hip flexors bend you over. The diaphragm has a very small range of motion. It's like the difference between a sit-up and a crunch. A full sit-up as almost all hip-flexor, a crunch is a small ab movement. The abs work in conjuction with the diaphragm in breathing. A scream is nothing but a strong exhale in which the diaphragm relaxes and the abs help to push further. If you're bent over and then try to push with your diaphragm/abs, you're getting even less of that range of motion in action. I guess maybe the best way would be to start screaming at a full stand and then add the crunch movement as you run out of air. Guys like Halford and Dickinson don't do all their screaming bent over.

but I don't know, I'm just applying some basic physiology to the process.

 

[Yonce N Mild]

I guess maybe the best way would be to start screaming at a full stand and then add the crunch movement as you run out of air. Guys like Halford and Dickinson don't do all their screaming bent over.

but I don't know, I'm just applying some basic physiology to the process.

I think that's it, running out of air. Halford and Dickenson are a totally different thing. They actually scream in tune, pretty close to singing. And they hit some massive high notes. No way you could hit those high notes bent over.

A lot of it is probably just posing too, like the low slung guitars and wide stance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the musical performance it's just to look cool.

 

[Greg_L]

I think that's it, running out of air. Halford and Dickenson are a totally different thing. They actually scream in tune, pretty close to singing. And they hit some massive high notes. No way you could hit those high notes bent over.

A lot of it is probably just posing too, like the low slung guitars and wide stance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the musical performance it's just to look cool.

Mostly, yeah, but I think there's some merit to a low slung guitar if the style of music you play requires lightning fast buzzsawing with downstrokes. Rapid downstrokes have a totally different sound than alternate strumming, and fast downstroking works better with the guitar down low near arms length.

 

[Supercreep]

I think it sounds awful.

 

[Atom Bomb]

downstrokes or screamed vocals?

 

[Supercreep]

Screamed vocals.

Downstrokes are teh awesome.

 

[Yonce N Mild]

Screamed vocals.

Downstrokes are teh awesome.

I get up for the downstroke.

 

[chamelious]

Thanks for the help guys, to be honest i was expecting a lot more "screaming isn't real music, stop doing it" than there has been. I kinda hoped there was someone on here who actually does it. Historically the people in bands who've been screaming "naturally" are the ones who end up destroying their vocal chords, KSE's old vocalist, oli sykes from BMTH is on the way out, etc.

 

[Atom Bomb]

Thanks for the help guys, to be honest i was expecting a lot more "screaming isn't real music, stop doing it" than there has been. I kinda hoped there was someone on here who actually does it. Historically the people in bands who've been screaming "naturally" are the ones who end up destroying their vocal chords, KSE's old vocalist, oli sykes from BMTH is on the way out, etc.

thats casue hes a pussy.

John Brannon did for most of the 80's. And lived to tell the story.


And screaming vocals do suck. Those screamo albums were the most boring shit i ever touched....



Does that even the playing field for you. Make it feel more like home. Give you the sense of counter culture you were looking for.....

 

[benherron.rrr]

Make it feel more like home. Give you the sense of counter culture you were looking for.....

Thats all i can say . . . . . .