rollin and tumblin

[toyL]

ok, I hardly ever ask for advice on getting particular tones/sounds, but I'd really appreciate some opinions on how jeff beck gets that intensely over-driven sound on the intro to his version of "rollin and tumblin"...any ideas?...thanks.

 

[foo]

Hmmm - that's a good question.

I listened to it a few times and there seems to be several different things happening.
There's a lot of sampled guitar parts on the whole CD - I'm sure Jeff (or Jennifer?) played them all, but for the effect they sampled them and then tweaked the tones.
The very first melody part sounds like a Floyd Rose (or similar) equipped guitar and is probably run through a major overdrive unit (such as a Boogie or Marshall rackmount) plus assorted sound processing units (Sonic Maximizers, etc.).
There is the 'rhythm' guitar part - which also sounds like a sample - and although there's no doubt Jeff is accomplished enough to play it this perfectly every time, it's just the overall vibe sounds like a sample to me.
There is also a recurring power chord (on the 'and' of one and two) that's a sample.

I guess for me the way they juxtapose the vocalizing against the lead guitar lines is the coolest thing - it sure sounds great - and at 2:14 when the bass and the vocals work off of each other. Yumm!

I guess the way you get a sound like this is to be a world-class guitar player for thirty + years and then go in the studio and wail.


foo

 

[twist]

foo,

Long time no see! Where you been man?

Twist

 

[toyL]

thanks foo...but, what I'm really looking for here are some opinions on "getting that sound" found during the first 6.9 sec. of "rollin n tumblin" from You Had it Coming....I can play the rest of it quite nicely with my 64sg, digitech whammy, vox wahwah, sovtech-BiggMuffPI, BossSE50 and my peavey butcher half-stack on the right, and my fender twin on the left....I can also play the first 6.9 sec., but, I my mojo falls short of jeff's during that critical 6.9 sec. intro....this is my latest project--to LEARN THE TRONS of that intensely overdriven, smooth and somehow "clean"--"check this out first" for 6.9 sec before we roll and tumble sound....I know that post-production accounts for some of it, and I also know just as well that it STARTS and ENDS in beck's hands--while he is connected to TRONS----WHAT ARE THE TRONS? and HOW ARE THEY TWEAKED?...yeh, I realize that the dude is not gonna just give it up--except to maybe his closest confidants....but, surely there is someone out there who has a pretty damn good idea of how it "could" be approached....anyone???..thanks.

 

[foo]

Don't feel bad, man - most guys' mojo falls short of Jeff's during just about any 6.9 secs of his playing you might want to mention.

Wish I could help you with the tone - I can only reiterate that it's some major league device wound up really tight with a touch of compression - the only way to know fer sure would be to talk to someone who was at the session.
Sorry I couldn't get you closer.

Hey Twist - Spent about four months on the road and then I done moved from Mississippi to San Diego - and I love it here.

Lots of work and not much time to hang out here . . . and I think this is post number 500!

foo