Roland VS-1824CD Preamp

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I have been advised by two recording engineers that the preamp is a critical component of a quality recording. These guys are not familiar with the new Digital Recording Stations and I would like some feedback from owners of the Roland VS-1824CD about the quality of the preamp. Does it meet studio quality when used with the recommended AKG C3000B mike? What does COSM modeling mean? Does this unit include a compressor?

Thanks in advance for any help!
 
get ready.




Everyone hates the Roland Preamps and the C3000B. ....and not just when paired together.


Don't worry though, I have C3000B and a 1680. You can make due. Especially if this is your first setup.
 
Yes, it has a compressor plugin, but an RNC will totally blow it away. COSM modeling is one more attempt to digitally copy the sound of known guitar amps, and a J-station or a POD pro will do it better. The AKG C2000B was used as the reference point for the mic modeler, and that was a fairly poor choice, a truly fine doorstop. The preamps flat out suck, and can be blown away by a DMP3.
All that aside, it's a pretty good 24bit 96khz digital recorder with a rather good built in mixer and CD-R drive. I'm recording the raw tracks for a full blown album on one, and it hasn't failed me yet. It is true, though, that I'm feeding it with a small boatload of outboard gear, bypassing everything it does except record. Hell, I'm using a preamp and a mic that are both more expensive than the Roland! I'm afraid neither the Roland's effects nor its preamps will ever be used on this project.-Richie
 
They arnt that bad. I have gotten pretty good results (and I say pretty good because they could be better) with mk319 or adk a51V with my 1680. I get very good level to noise ratio with what the pres in the roland. Of course I use a real compressor, those digital effects compressor processors suck.
 
I find the gain structure of the pres on the Roland is not predictable because the pots are very sensitive and quirky. The pres are very easy to clip. Sometimes you need to boost gain at the board a very little, and that can be OK. I find it is very hard to describe the sound of an amp that sucks, so I'll put it in terms I understand. Joemeek- sounds like old Vox. Avalon- Sounds like old Fender twin. VS1824- sounds like a brand new Crate.-Richie
 
That's helpful. From my limited experience I agree about the pots.
 
Ritchie, Does the 1824 have jack inputs that allow bypassing the preamp or did you have to make a modification to the unit to bypass the preamps? How much does a DMP3 cost and how many tracks do they have? Does the 1824 have a built in compressor or is this an outboard item also?

I really appreciate the input on your posts.
 
No by-passing of the preamp except for the stereo Digital ins. So you can have two tracks of quality at any given time.
 
You can bypass the pres as Outlaw saud, with 2 channels, by S/PDIF, if you have a pre with S/PDIF (DBX386 is not too bad- now at GC for $300). However, I've found the pres are not a real problem if you don't use them to add gain. Just leave them all the way down (line input), and get your gain from the outboard pre.
If you are very slick, you can harass Guitar Center into selling a DMP3 for $129, if they have one (they are becoming scarce). They usually sell for $200 or so.-Richie
P.S.- dmp3 and DBX386 are both 2 channel pres.
 
Richard Monroe said:
...harass Guitar Center into selling a DMP3 for $129... They usually sell for $200 or so.
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I have finagled some monsterous deals at Guitar Center but percentage wise, I think that takes the cake. Good one.
 
Actually, Outlaws, it was an early morning typo- $119.99.-Richie
 
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