Rode NT1 - for my voice?

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Feeling like a fossil...

OK, just to show how in touch I am with how outta touch I am, who is Maynard James Keenan? Just so I have an idea as to what kind of sound you're talking about. And name a big song of his, don't just tell me the band name, 'cause I can't remember which one is by the Barking Fifis, and which one's by gruntpuppy that they did on their "Puddle of Snot" tour. ;)
 
I doubt it's still available, but Bruce (aka Bluebear) had a link a while back that compared the Studio Projects C1 to a Rode NT2
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i've tried in vain to find this thread..anyone?

thanks...:D
 
Re: Feeling like a fossil...

Cardioidpotent said:
OK, just to show how in touch I am with how outta touch I am, who is Maynard James Keenan? Just so I have an idea as to what kind of sound you're talking about. And name a big song of his, don't just tell me the band name, 'cause I can't remember which one is by the Barking Fifis, and which one's by gruntpuppy that they did on their "Puddle of Snot" tour. ;)
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you poor soul. :)
maynard james keenan is VH1's #1 choice for best male vocalist of the 90's.
he is in the band Tool, and is even better in A Perfect Circle(see my avatar).

Here are his best vocal performances:

Sober: Very good. Great tone on the chorus.
Eulogy: Best Tool song ever. Maynard is very dynamic here.
H.: Very good. :)
Hush: earlier tool stuff but good nonetheless
Aenema: The standout track from their standout album.
The Grudge: the 2nd best tool song ever. great vocals
Parabola: wow. wow. just wait for the "alive" part of the vocals. THAT part ALONE makes the album worth the price.
Lateralus: great chorus
Ticks & Leeches: he blew his voice out for a day and couldnt sing any high notes for 3 weeks. not a favorite of mine but INCREDIBLY high.
The Hollow: the best vocal performance on Mer de Noms. wow.
Judith: VERY good tone. noone can touch this.
Orestes: nice mellow yet very very powerful song. his voice caries this.
3 Libras: see above and multiply it by 2. wow.
Brena: actually same as orestes. :)
Thinking of You: very driven. NINesque. nice.
Passenger: he did a cameo on the deftone's white pony album on this song. great great performance. good tone. everything. he makes the deftone's vocalist sound like crap when the 2 voices are singing side by side.

that is who maynard is. :)
 
ive been a tool fan since the opiate ep...APC is just awesome too...maynard's great and the musicians around him make him better because they play off of each other so well to create dynamics.....right on webcyan..:D
 
Funny...Chessrock and JesusPilgrim have totally conflicting views on the C1 and NT2. I love it!

Webcyan, can't you go someplace and demo different mics? That's the only way you're going to know for sure what sounds best to YOUR ears.
 
Why . . . can't . . . we . . . just . . . pick a mic. :)

Usually I agree with Jusum on everything, but I have no idea where he's coming from on this one. :) I really like that Tool dude's voice. I think what you want is a raw, unpolished sound for that kinda' vocal. No need for anything hyped or pretty-sounding.

If I had that kind of voice, I would just plug the sm7 in to the Joemeek and forget about it. Dynamic mic all the way for that.
 
his voice is anything but harsh or raw. where did you get that from? :confused: :( :)
 
maybe he means raw as in "unprocessed".....

harsh? well maybe he means when he screams...

just a description.......no biggie.:D

he has one of my favorite voices in rock and roll..he and lane staley...imho.
 
NT1

I have an NT1, and although I love the mic on my voice,

(great for low close-miked male voices - check out:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/54/2sheds_jackson.html
Yeah - I know too much lip-smack - but ignore that ;-) )

... I think I have hit a limitation with it for female voices.
I recorded this young girl vocalist (trip-hop band called Transtone) and found the vocal too thin. She blamed herself and I blamed me for not being experienced enough with the new (2nd-hand) Joe-Meek VC2 I have bought.
However, - turns out from reading the posts here that the likely culprit is the NT1. This was something I had not previously considered because I knew that the NT1 gave me such a great sound on my voice.
Can anyone confirm this for female vocals?
I am thinking of splashing out on an NTK. - But! - Is this a no-no if I am using the tube VC2? (ie- 2tubes in the chain). Is anyone out there using this combination?
All other sugestions gratefully received.
Thanks for your help!
 
CDT-sHaG said:
maybe he means raw as in "unprocessed".....

harsh? well maybe he means when he screams...
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I'm still looking for my "harsh" comment. :) Can't seem to find that word anywhere in my post. Raw and unpolished. Not pretty, sheeny, or produced. No pretentions. No Backstreet Boys here. No Britany, no Justin. :)

Just raw energy, dude. You don't need a pretty-sounding condenser for that. Condensers are for woosies! You don't want to sound like Sarah Freakin' McLaughlin here! :) So put that skirt away, step to the mic, and Be a man! :) This club is for men only. No condensers are invited to this party.
 
lol.

yes maynard and others have a very visceral voice but i like to go smooth and powerful somtimes. maynard does so to.
 
I'm still looking for my "harsh" comment. Can't seem to find that word anywhere in my post. Raw and unpolished. Not pretty, sheeny, or produced. No pretentions. No Backstreet Boys here. No Britany, no Justin.

Just raw energy, dude. You don't need a pretty-sounding condenser for that. Condensers are for woosies! You don't want to sound like Sarah Freakin' McLaughlin here! So put that skirt away, step to the mic, and Be a man! This club is for men only. No condensers are invited to this party.
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roflmao......you hit the nail on the head.......i was just responding to webcyan..........thinking you meant unprocessed.....oh never mind lol...it's all good.:D

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So put that skirt away, step to the mic, and Be a man! This club is for men only. No condensers are invited to this party
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Love him or hate him, the guy in Tool can sing after a certain fashion. He'd sound the way he does through any mic. I hate these threads b/c it always reminds me of how people go to the beautician and what the Cindy Crawford haircut but get pissed off when they don't end up looking like Cindy.

Just get an SM-57. If you don't sound the way you want, then you'll never sound that way no matter how much money you spend on any mic. Get a nice pre. The Audio Buddy would be good. Avoid the lower priced Presonus stuff and lower priced Joemeek stuff. Their gear does not become worthy until about the $500 U.S. level.

If you want the full experience you might rent a very expensive Summit mic pre to go with the SM-57.

The NT1 would be nice as well but not necessary in bringing out that sound b/c it's either there or it isn't.
 
not your voice try a guitar

I got two nti's and think there good. But I wasnt realy impressed till I used them on guitars . Since then I have taken to using a rode classicII. I'm an aussie and like to keep as much of my money in the country as possible .May bee if the nt1 is to airy/harsh /toppy then you could sing with cotton wool in your cheeks for that godfather sound:)
 
Re: not your voice try a guitar

rocky outcrop said:
I got two nti's and think there good. But I wasnt realy impressed till I used them on guitars . Since then I have taken to using a rode classicII. I'm an aussie and like to keep as much of my money in the country as possible .May bee if the nt1 is to airy/harsh /toppy then you could sing with cotton wool in your cheeks for that godfather sound:)
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You and a lot of golden-eared engineers like the Rode Classic. It's one of the great R&B mics and a vocalists dream. Yes, it can slum on metal vocals.
 
ozraves, doesn't the audio buddy have substandard phantom
power (around 30 volts I recall?), and a clipping problem since
the led can light up AFTER clipping? If someone has a dynamic
microphone or electret the phantom power issue wouldn't
matter of course. It's just if they get a "real" condenser
(non-electret) like out of the Studio Projects product line
(better sound quality than NT1 BTW), it will increase the amount
of noise compared to the signal as those microphones use more
phantom power to operate at full speed.

Also, out of curiousity, have you used the Joe Meek VC3(Q)
and/or the VC6Q as I have both units and they sound fine to me?
Just wondering how you came to the conclusion that they didn't
measure up for recording use. Starting up a commercial
project studio the VC1Q would have been my first pick though,
as the mic pre is a bit better and it has the enhancer.
 
Audio Buddy?

Do you think the dude from Tool would sing in to something called an "audio buddy?" Would Ronnie James Dio use an audio buddy? Danzig? I should hope not.

Come on! No wussie condnensers, and nothing that goes by the name of "buddy." :)
 
chessparov said:
ozraves, doesn't the audio buddy have substandard phantom
power (around 30 volts I recall?), and a clipping problem since
the led can light up AFTER clipping? If someone has a dynamic
microphone or electret the phantom power issue wouldn't
matter of course. It's just if they get a "real" condenser
(non-electret) like out of the Studio Projects product line
(better sound quality than NT1 BTW), it will increase the amount
of noise compared to the signal as those microphones use more
phantom power to operate at full speed.

Also, out of curiousity, have you used the Joe Meek VC3(Q)
and/or the VC6Q as I have both units and they sound fine to me?
Just wondering how you came to the conclusion that they didn't
measure up for recording use. Starting up a commercial
project studio the VC1Q would have been my first pick though,
as the mic pre is a bit better and it has the enhancer.
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The Audio Buddy phantom power is 41.5v as I just measured it. The stated standard for 48v phantom power is 48v +-4v. You'd be surprised how many phantom power supplies do not put out 48v or within 1v even. Many do not meet the standard.

The clip light is slow but I've never had an issue with clipping using one for six months now. Hey, it's around $79 for two channels. It's a very clean and neutral pre with low noise.

As to the Joemeek, I just am not a fan even though I am a fan of Joe Meek. I don't think his namesake pres are my cup of tea. I've only heard one vocal recorded through one that I'd keep.

My personal preference for mic pres under $1k is:
M-Audio Audio Buddy and DMP3;
Grace 101;
Earthworks Lab 101;
Mackie XDR mic pres in their boards;
Whatever John Hardy sells under $1k.

I don't like compression or EQ going in so I like a plain old mic pre.
 
ozraves, thanks for the info and your comments.
Yours truly is a big fan of the Meek compressor and EQ,
so using compression and EQ on the front end is par for the course!
 
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