Rme Digi-decision...???

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Re: thanks!

PRiZ said:
I'm sure I'm not the only one on this board that would take the lynx over what you've presented...am I the only one? who else is an idiot...?
If I'm not mistaken, sonusman is an idiot by that definition:D

Also, I think you may benefit from 96kHz as your plug-in effects may give a better result with the higher resolution. Note that there are two "may"s in that statement...ymmv

/Ola
 
This post has no point anymore, and probably didn't after the first few replies. Priz makes no sense and still doesn't get it.

I suggest we refuse to reply to Priz until he actually gets a card and tries to record SOMETHING.

I give the members alot of credit for being so patient. In like 2 months Priz has posted 200 times and still hasen't recorded a single note. He also makes a strong case for changes the venacular of the board hierarchy as he is now entitled "Senior Member".

As I posted before, no disrespect Priz. You can post a MILLION times here and in other places but unless you try to record, and maybe find some basic reading to give you the fundamentals, you will NEVER know what you are talking about.

It is CLEAR you don't understand the meaning your own questions. Just pick a card and go forward.
 
Man, as much as I try I can't resist replying to this stupid thread.

OK,

1. Sonusman, unlike priz, is not an idiot. The Lynx works very well for him because he has ADATs to record to. If you buy an ADAT then you instantly have 8 channels to record to and the Lynx would be a very good card to get to transfer that data to a computer, but since you seem to have no plans to do that then the Lynx, with its limited I/Os, is not the best card for you.

2. Priz, for the answers to your other questions, see my previous responses. I'm not going to waste the forum's bandwidth and my time by retyping it. It basically boils down to a philosophical question, one that is answered simply enough by saying "priz, ............[long pause]............ you suck."
 
alright, I'm just going to point out sonusman mainly focuses on punk/ska/metal type music with instruments etc from the impression I got. I have no plans on using any instruments for recording anything but vocals, and the only thing I will ever record at one time will be vocals...as for software applications, the lynx does 4 channels in that.

I just read over it all, and I agree...
This is why I have been asking if the Lynx will have sufficient I/O's for my needs. I have read other peoples oppinions on the card and reviews and i think no one gave it below a 4.5 out of 5...
I have heard nothing but praise towards this card...

The only question is will it have enuff I/O's to do what I want. I'm sure this card might not last forever, but if it can do what i listed I don't think it will be a problem for along time...

Here's how i figure it will work again...

- 2 analog outputs to the pair of monitors...

- 2 analog inputs for a turntable in future, maby a dedicated ad converter for future, but I dought it since the Lynx has great quality already...only thing next is mayby an external reverb for good vocal effects. (I can always plug in and out to make it work do to a lack of In's if I do everything one step at a time.)

- 2 midi I/O will go to a keyboard and have the rest extras for future...does a sound module require a slot? do I need a sound module to use a keyboard? Does a sound module not use a midi In.

- 24-bit/96 kHz AES/EBU or S/PDIF I/O will go to the preamp to a mic for recording...???????? this will leave me with an extra in or out for soemthing.

Thanks! I appreciate all this, I really do. I just got the info to order now. Despite my sucking, someone be nice enuff to confirm my I/O's. mayby I'm stuck on something that really isn't what's gonna work for me, but if you look at the reviews yo'll see why...

oh yeah, as I was reading over this post a few minutes ago I think I might have said things like I heard some bad stuff about so and so equipment or this isn't very good. This was merely from my perspective and from what I am going to do with it, as everyone else here will ablige, all these cards are great. :) I deffinitely don't wanna become a gear snob before I even have anything, or have even tried anything...
 
Close but you're not there yet...

What type of external reverb were you considering? Going in and out of the digital domain, which is necessary if you use an external effect with analogue I/O, is really bad for your sound quality. If you were looking at a reverb unit with digital I/O, that's really just a plugin with its own box and not very cost efficient. IMHO. A really good plug-in can do 99% of the job and you never need that last % anyway because you don't record in a pro studio with $$$ mics etc.

In order to use the 24-bit/96 kHz AES/EBU or S/PDIF I/O for a mic preamp, you need a dedicated A/D converter. These are digital inputs and plugging the output of a mic pre into these (if you can make the connectors fit) will do, well nothing.

If you plan on using analogue ins for turntables, don't spend too much money on converter quality. You're recording someone else's recording from a vinyl so you have a relavitely poor quality to start with. Right? No need to get SSL preamps and lucient converters for that.

/Ola
 
- 2 analog outputs to the pair of monitors...

- 2 analog inputs for a turntable in future, maby a dedicated ad converter for future, but I dought it since the Lynx has great quality already...only thing next is mayby an external reverb for good vocal effects. (I can always plug in and out to make it work do to a lack of In's if I do everything one step at a time.)

- 2 midi I/O will go to a keyboard and have the rest extras for future...does a sound module require a slot? do I need a sound module to use a keyboard? Does a sound module not use a midi In.

- 24-bit/96 kHz AES/EBU or S/PDIF I/O will go to the preamp to a mic for recording...???????? this will leave me with an extra in or out for soemthing.

OK, just remember the following:

1. Once you run out of ins or outs for whatever you're doing and you find something you can't multitrack, you are fucked.

2. Unless your mic pre also has an A/D converter or you buy a separate external A/D converter your mic pre will use an analog in.

3. When you're tracking vocals you will want to monitor that in headphones and unless you have a [hardware] mixer this will use 2 outs (there are ways to do it with one, though), so with the Lynx you will have to be unplugging/plugging in your monitors/headphones.

4. Anything that makes "noise" (which is most likely what your music will be) requires an analog in. MIDI I/Os do not record or even transmit the "sound," just the sequence. So you need 2 analog ins for any keyboards or sound modules.

So, now do you see why its important to have enough analog ins/outs? Honestly, most new consumer soundcards can be made to do 4 in 4 out (sometimes in stereo pairs which isn't too great) and there are a plethora of very good sounding prosumer cards with at least 4 in 4 out (most are much cheaper than the Lynx, BTW) so really there's no reason to limit yourself. But you seem to want to do it, so go ahead, just don't come crying to me when you run out of "holes" to plug into! ;)

Honestly I think you're in way over your head. You at least should have owned and used A sound card for recording at some point in your history before you move to something like the Lynx. I honestly don't think you know what your needs are and no amount of me telling you that you're a dumbass is going to remedy this. To use a gay expression, you need to have some "hands-on" experience with something before you know enough about it to spend $500 on an upgrade (wait, not even an upgrade, your first damn card). That seems to be just common sense, applicable to a lot of things other than sound cards, but its just one man's opinion.

EDIT: OK, I took yet more of my precious time to read through the reviews posted on the Lynx website. To be honest, I wasn't terribly impressed. I have read similar reviews about just about all of its competitors. BTW, here's an interesting quote from the Pro Audio Review article:

Converter technology has finally reached a place where most 24-bit cards in this price range offer extremely good performance for project and pro-studio applications.

I think that pretty much sums it up. There's nothing magical about the Lynx. It uses standard Crystal converters that are used by almost all prosumer-level cards. Also, I think every reviewer referred to the Lynx as a "mastering card." For that purpose it would work very well. With a highly-accurate digital interface and 2 good channels of analog I/Os that's the logical use for this card. That's what sonusman uses his for, from what I gather. Its simply not billed as a multitrack recording card because that's not what it does. It can be made to do that but with an extremely limiting 2 in 2 out interface, it hardly competes with actual multitrack cards in this function.

So priz, if you can deal with the 2 in 2 out limitation (and you want to get ripped off) then go for it. In my not-so-humble opinion you are going to be reaching for more I/Os pretty soon and wishing you had gone with a cheaper solution, but if you want to risk that go ahead. I think I've been pretty objective (up to a point) but you're trying my patience in helping you and I think its just time to do something.
 
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hmm, I'd like to first just mention those I/O's where just guesses at where things would go, I really didn't need to put a preamp in the digital outs and not analog, I just don't know any better...

I'm stumped... I think your right, about the I/O's, but i wouldn't call the lynx a rip-off, it's not what the actual converters are it's the quality in which the soundcard is built etc that really makes the improvement...

Don't really know what to do now...

"When you're tracking vocals you will want to monitor that in headphones and unless you have a [hardware] mixer this will use 2 outs (there are ways to do it with one, though), so with the Lynx you will have to be unplugging/plugging in your monitors/headphones."

This seems like it might be frustrating after a while, even though I don't need my monitors playing while i record, it would be easier to not have to unplug and replug everytime I wanna record and then hear my recording on the monitors...

I got the oppinion you where saying a keyboard needs a midi I/O and needs two analog In's...seems like a lot for a keyboard, this is ture then...yes/no...? that takes up my analog's right there.

It still seems like I could do this, by plugging and replugging, but I could see it getting really annoying, would I have to change my setings everytime I cahge a peice of gear to an I/O...yes/no...?

I don't think I clearly understand multi-tracking...recording more than one track at a time, right? yes/no...?

I need sleep, I'm to tired to think of anything.

.................to be continued? thanks!!!!!!!!!
 
c7sus said:
"I don't think I clearly understand multi-tracking...recording more than one track at a time, right? yes/no...?"

That's what we have been trying to tell you all along.......

Take the time to read, learn, and UNDERSTAND what you NEED, what is out there, how these various analog and digital devices operate and work together........ THEN buy. You will save yourself tons of money!

Well put, C7!

Priz, it seems like you've spent all your time looking at various pieces of hardware (well 2 pieces especially) without knowning your actual needs as far as I/Os, connections, etc. Do you think you should spend $500 on something when you don't fully understand its functions?

I got the oppinion you where saying a keyboard needs a midi I/O and needs two analog In's...seems like a lot for a keyboard, this is ture then...yes/no...? that takes up my analog's right there.

No opinion there, that's fact.

It still seems like I could do this, by plugging and replugging, but I could see it getting really annoying, would I have to change my setings everytime I cahge a peice of gear to an I/O...yes/no...?

Yes, it would get annoying but that's not the real issue. As long as you can DO something you need to do then you're OK. But when you're out of I/Os and you're doing something you can't multitrack/bounce, you're fuct.

I don't think I clearly understand multi-tracking...recording more than one track at a time, right? yes/no...?

Well, yes, but also tracking one track at a time over previously recorded tracks.

Go through this whole fuckin' thread and REALLY read it this time, I think you'll get a lot closer to understanding your needs and I HOPE you understand that nomatter how good the Lynx is, if its not flexible enough to do what you need it to, then what good is all that supposed sound quality (which is likely more of a 3-5% difference over similar cards)?
 
Eureka.

I now see the problem. The problem is that PRiz has all the information he wants BUT

He wants to squeeze out the last amount of quality from his dollars.

Another problem is that PRiZ has not taken our reassurance about the m-audio cards. If he had he would be sporting an omni studio right about now.

THe truth, PRiZ is that in the price range that you are talking about, you are not going to hear a difference between the cards.

Let me put it straight. As straight as it can be.

Forget about RME. who wants a card with just digital i/o

Forget about lynx one. The reason you are pushing lynx one is that you believe that its converters are better than echo or m-audio or MOTU. not so . Have you listened to mrlipps latest post in the clinic. Is that not the quality you want?

Go for the omni studio or delta 1010. that is the answer. I assure you, if you go another route, you will eventually regret it

I would not trade my delta 1010 for a lynx one. two outputs are simply not enough for multi tracking. The inputs also dont support 96 khz.bummer.

Check out my setup.

output 1-2 (stereo amp. For headphone)
output 3-4( lexicon lxp-1reverb)
output 5-6 (alesis ra-100 amp for studio monitors)
output 7-8(optimus karaoke mono speaker

input 1-2(lexicon reverb return)
input 3-4(jv 1010)
input 5-6(m-audio dmp2)
input 7-8(it used to have a korg sound module on it)

midi in(my keyboard)
midi out( jv1010)

Now tell me. How are you going to do this with a lynx one or an rme card, for under $1000. the answer is impossible.

For just 5 c-notes, you get all those inputs with converters that are the best sounding 8-in -8-out you ever heard.

nuff said.


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dolemite,

The only files comparing the delta 1010 to the ad9624 were already at 16 bits, burned to a cd at 8x(lots of jitter).

Sorry.
 
Re: actually,

PRiZ said:
I was getting the RME to avoid getting an external converter and save money, but still get quality with converters...

Apparently the sound of the AD converters on the RME aint too good, or atleast not as good as the Lynx I don't think....
I havn't really been able to get a clear answer, but I'm getting tired of this card...


Partly true, The convertors on the actual card itself are fair to good. The RME i/o boxes are excellent but too expensive. If you go the RME route then get a TANGO 24 breakout box and you'll be rockin. Do it all for a grand.
 
I'm convinced....

The delta 1010 seems the ticket now that I know how many I/O's I'll NEED, seems like more than I need, but I guess that wouldn't be a problem... I've seen this card cheap, can I get it less than $600, or what's the best price you've seen for this this, besides ebay...?
600 seems good for a card that retailed at 1000$... :)

I like the breakout box because my computer's really loud...thats' what puts it over the top. I'm not gonna look in to the delta 1010 any further, that's what I did last time I was about to get it and I ended up looking at the lynx again... I'm ordering it now, that's FINAL!!!!! besides, I'm gonna use event 20/20 bas monitors! how can it not sound good...

"The only files comparing the delta 1010 to the ad9624 were already at 16 bits, burned to a cd at 8x(lots of jitter)."

can you eplain this...what is the ad9624? it sounds like buring cd's at high speed isn't as good from what I've heard, the compter store guy said this isn't true. I have an ASUS Just Link 12x10x32x...I can't go any slower, will this be a problem for recording the best quality cd's that don't skip.




THANKssssss....
 
hi PRiZ,

congratulations on your decision.

about burning at high speed, I dont' notice a difference with my stereo system, but when I put the cd in my boombox, you can hear so much jitter(I listen with headphones.

You can't hear any jitter on pro cds though.

NOw I burn at 2x where time allows
 
someone said they saw the delta for $550 new. I don't remember where. I know its $599 in most places with included software, so if you call bayviewproaudio.com , they will beat any advertised price you can find.
 
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