Rme Digi-decision...???

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Will you just jump in the fucking pool

Priz,

Look, no disrespect intended, but at this point you don't have a clue about what you are saying. All the cards you mentioned will be FINE. Pick one that has the options you need (I think you have figured this out, with the help of others here) and buy it.

I agree that picking a first card can be a challenge. First you need to narrow down the universe of options based on criteriea such as compatability, price, # of i/os, upgrade-ability, midi, adat, etc. etc.

You have done that already I think. Pick one. Or go sit in the corner and drive yourself crazy with the options. It is clear that the folks on this board can take you no further in your quest. All this stuff about A/D quality etc. -- Don't worry about it. These are all great cards.

And remember, as always, as soon as you buy a card, another that looks even better will come out. don't worry, the cards you mentioned are not likely to be outdated any time soon,

Btw, I just ordered an RME DSP system.
 
who wants to hear the lucid vs the delta 1010

tubedude,

no disrespect to you my friend, but do you have a concussion?(I heard that in speed 2)

I have done side by side tests, with the lucid vs the delta 1010, and let it be known that The delta 1010 is a professional souding card.

I would say that the difference between the delta 1010 and the lucid ad9624 without an external clock is like 10 percent. That ten percent puts you into the totally pro region.


With an external clock, the difference would still be only ten percent, cos the external clock improves all the converters in your chain.

Luckily, I kept the files from the test. If anyone wants to hear the difference between delta 1010 and Lucid AD9624, just ask me, and I will post the audio files. The guy can probably let me have the lucid again. If he does, I will do EXTENSIVE tests and have the audio files to show.

You'll be amazed at how great the lucid is, but very amazed at how close the delta 1010 comes.

As I said before, what I want now is a lucid genx6 clock to improve the delta 1010 converters
 
CJ,

I would really like to hear those files. If its convenient for you to put them up somewhere, I would really appreciate it. :)

BTW, are the converters in the Delta 44 and 66 the same as in the 1010? I know they're in a different configuration, as in "on the card" as opposed to inside the breakout box like the 1010.
 
hmmm...

Yeah the delta 1010 has better converters and are housed in a break out box...

I know none of you wont to answer these or you would've...
Here they are again..


Do I need AES/EBU interface...In and Out...? This is the pro way of transfer right, and can be doen at 96khz...?
Do I need a stereo analog I/O...? Or just an IN or OUT...?
Would you consider this card with the WordClock a pro soundcard?
If anyone has hands on experience with this card or knows it's flaws and quality or anything...please speak out.

about I/O's...If I get the pad for instance, I get two outs on the card right? that means I'll only have to buy the 4 in analog expansion right? and not get a 4 out expansion board? these boards are about 200 each,

oh yeah, about the midi, I can just get a midi-1 In and 1 out right? how do midi channels work, the lynx has about 32...?
I've seen these external and internal for about 59$ so I assume this will solve my problem?

This is the info I need now, answer if you have time.
thanks... :)
I should have my verdict by the end of tonight.
 
Do I need AES/EBU interface...In and Out...? This is the pro way of transfer right, and can be doen at 96khz...?
Do I need a stereo analog I/O...? Or just an IN or OUT...?
Click to expand...

Hey priz,

I think I have an original SoundBlaster card sitting around here somewhere...maybe if you can splice a wordclock onto that, you'd be happy? Or what about an Adlib with AES/EBU? Maybe we can get timecode going on that fisher price tape recorder that tubedude offered your earlier?

Seriously, priz....you're asking about pro quality digital interfaces but for analog you're gonna settle for "just an IN or OUT." WTF? :confused:

If I get the pad for instance...
Click to expand...

You talking about Kotex or Always? With or without wings? Are you having a heavy flow day?
 
uhhh...

Dolemite what are you saying, fisherwhat???
"you're asking about pro quality digital interfaces but for analog you're gonna settle for "just an IN or OUT." WTF?"
i was gonna settle for two outs and 4 in's and a wordclock and mayby 4 more outs... I'm not sure what you gettin at homie.

I can't decide wether I should get the pro or pad...can you advise which one????

here's what it says about the Pro's:
DIGI96/8 PRO: 24 Bit/96 kHz Digital Audio PCI Card with 24 Bit DAC...
SPDIF I/O coaxial, SPDIF I/O optical, AES/EBU I/O XLR, ADAT optical, Stereo Analog Out...there's slight differences in the basic connections but the actual cards are the same.

here's the Pad's:
The whole RME setup I thinking is the DIGI96/8 PAD: 24 Bit/96 kHz Digital/Analog PCI Audio Card...
SPDIF I/O coaxial. SPDIF I/O optical, AES/EBU compatible, ADAT optical, Stereo Analog I/O

AEB4-I four analog inputs at 107 dBA SNR and a servo balanced input circuit deliver perfect sound and sonic clarity. This is the cards AD converters aswell.

Then an added Word Clock Module WCM adds a word clock input and output in professional quality. A 96 kHz capable PLL circuit, an integrated clock generator and a unique test mode extend the powerful capabilities of our digital audio cards.

This comes to $1150 Canadian, quite expensive...and then to add 4 analog outs it's another 200. What do you all think of this...
Is it a rip off, they guarantee proffesional high quality throughtout everything on this card with numerous advanced features and drivers... Then I gotta cop a midi interface which should go about 60-70$ right?????????

My other option in mind is the Lynx one which comes to 700 canadian, this will give me great converters, I don't know how many I/O's it has, but it's got a 2 I/O 32channel midi connection... This is cheaper, but I don't know if the quality is better or worse, if the quality is better on this I might just go with this even though it doesn't have 96khz analog I/O...

Take a look at the Features of the DIGI96/8 PAD

Short PCI card, 100% Plug & Play compatible
All settings changeable in realtime
Output options changeable during operation
Supported sample frequencies stereo: 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 64 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz
Supported sample frequencies AD: 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 64 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz
Supported sample frequencies ADAT®: 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz
Vari-speed usage by synchronising the output to the input signal (25 kHz-105 kHz)
Separate record and playback circuits; complete master mode
Enhanced Full Duplex: different sample rates at input and output possible
Mixed mode: ADAT® in - SPDIF out and vice versa
Automatic and intelligent master/slave clock control
AutoSync controls coupling of input and output clock
Outstanding PLL allows synchronisation even at double/half sample rates
Unsurpassed Bitclock PLL (audio synchronisation) in ADAT® mode
Optional Word Clock Module (WCM) provides word clock input and output
Jumper to set operation at boot time (SPDIF/ADAT)
Special mode to record the complete digital data stream (32 bit)
Supports the transfer of DAT Start-IDs
Supports the read out of CD subcode
Ignores copy protection
Comes with DIGICheck®, the incredible measurement, analysis and test tool
Unique status windows for record and playback
Display of mode and sample rate
Enhanced ZLM: realtime monitoring in all clock modes and even at different sample rates
Fully automated monitoring (pass through for the input signal in record mode)
Play only mode prevents feedbacks when connected to digital mixing desks
Allows to set the channel status 'Professional'
Allows to set the channel status 'Emphasis'
Allows to set the channel status 'Non-Audio' (for playback of Dolby® encoded AC-3 streams)
'Check Input' compares the signals sample rate with the one requested from the recording software
Automatic hardware mute (digital zero) at non valid input signals (No Lock)
AutoSelect searches automatically for an input with valid signal
Super hi-speed: record delay only 1 (!) sample
Super hi-speed: loop delay only 2 (!) samples (out to in, Full Duplex)
Sample aligned simultaneous start of record and playback in Record while Play mode (SyncAlign®)
Analog input +4 dBu / -10 dBV configurable
Superior analog 24 bit/96 kHz input. Dynamic range 109 dBA
Flexible superior analog 24 bit/96 kHz monitor output. Dynamic range 112 dBA
Low impedance output (75 ohm) ready for headphones
Stepless output level control through software faders at analog out
Speaker protection minimizes noise during power on/off
Analog output routeable to ADAT® tracks
System integration with Windows' Device Manager
Supports Consumer and Professional format at in- and output
Works with every usual recording or editing software
No DMA or input/output address neccessary
Complete interrupt sharing under Windows 95/98 and NT
Wide software support: Windows 95/98/NT, Mac, optional Linux/Unix/Solaris (OSS), BeOS coming soon
ASIO multi card drivers for Windows and Mac, latency 46 ms / 11 ms
More than one card with only one driver useable (Windows 95/98/NT)
Combined Channel Interleave/Multi Device driver compatible to all recording programs (Windows 95/98/NT)
Independent stereo devices: use up to four programs with one card (Windows 95/98/NT)
High bus transfer rate (> 130 MByte/s)
Windows driver with Pentium® Pro/II/Celeron® optimization (quad times memory transfer)
32 bit memory transfer and 128 kB fast SRAM guarantee very low system load
No dropouts caused by other PCI Busmaster devices thanks to 128 kB SRAM (12 ns)
Developed and tested with 37.5 MHz PCI bus speed (overclocking)
Digital inputs and outputs ground-free transformer coupled
Outputs optical/cinch/XLR work simultaneous (signal distribution possible)
Error LED shows status of input signal (SPDIF, ADAT®)
Automatic hardware selftest when booting

Technical Specifications DIGI96/8 PAD

Super low jitter design: < 1 ns in PLL mode (44.1 kHz, optical in)
Super low jitter design: < 2 ns in PLL mode (44.1 kHz, optical in, ADAT®)
Input PLL works without dropouts even at more than 40 ns jitter
Bitclock PLL for problem-free vari-speed usage in ADAT® mode
High sensitive input stage (< 0.2Vpp input level)
Output voltage coaxial 0.8 V, XLR 3.5 V
Supported sample frequencies: 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 64 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz
Supports all known formats mono/stereo from 16 to 24 bit
Supports all known multi channel formats from 16 to 24 bit
Developed and tested with 37.5 MHz PCI bus speed (overclocking)
Analog input +4 dBu / -10 dBV configurable
Superior analog 24 bit/96 kHz input. Dynamic range 106 dB (RMS unweighted), 109 dBA
THD+N analog output: -100 dB / 0.001%
Dynamic range analog output: 108 dB (RMS unweighted, unmuted), 112 dBA
Input optical (TOSLINK), coaxial (phono), XLR, internal (CD-ROM/Sync-In)
Input format SPDIF, AES/EBU (Consumer, Professional), ADAT®
Output optical (TOSLINK), coaxial (phono), XLR, internal (Sync-Out)
Format output SPDIF, AES/EBU (Consumer/Professional switchable), ADAT®

look at all that jibberish!!!!! :)
 
RME card

Priz,
If you get the RME, you can always take a conductive pencil and draw traces and connect between the anti-capacitance poles on the ACF switching bank, and set the converters to negative 32 charge at D-pole 4 or 5 for a convenient way to add your own preamps to the card, and by doing this, you can make it have up to as many as 24 inputs. Its pretty easy, but use your ears when setting the D-pole to 4 or 5, whichever sounds best to you. The charge at the reactive transitor on the north bridge pci bus capacitor is set at a 55 degree angle allowing you to do this. One drawback is it will run hotter, requiring that a fan be mounted directly over the converters. Be sure to remove and toss the shielding from the converters prior to this, and keep the fans motor as close to the converters as possible to avoid any electromagnetic interference.
If you get the card, I'll be glad to do the adjustments for you. No charge.
 
Hold on there tubedude, won't this mod affect synchronization with the SMPTE timecode running from the Fisher-Price tape recorder? I think we may run into problems there...we wouldn't want those 2-octave Casio tonebanks to drift out of sync, now would we?
 
Mos def!

This is gettin old fast, are you'll gonna help me. I got a an old plane propeller that needs hooking up, works way better than a fan...OK FELLAS!!!
 
priz,

We've been helping you.

Because you ignore our suggestions, we've decided to at least entertain ourselves somewhat.

I don't know of anybody around here that has an RME card (except for one guy who's trying to sell his), and sonusman is the only person I know that has a Lynx. I have no personal experience with either brand or any of their products, so how can I recommend them you? We have all given you some very good suggestions...if anybody had anything to say about your precious RME/Lynx cards, it would have come out long ago. We're not going to tell you what you want to hear (go to Guitar Center, those sales guys are masters at that)...but we will give you honest suggestions based on experience and foreknowledge, you can take them or leave them. I hate to unleash you upon another forum but you might try seaching for posts and (if you promise to behave) ask a very polite question here:

http://linux1723.dn.net/cgi-bin/ubb...=sound+cards&number=5&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin=
 
thanks!

"Because you ignore our suggestions, we've decided to at least entertain ourselves somewhat."

How am I even close to ignoring your suggestions...?
I was gonna get the Omni studio already and others etc, and luckily realized that their not for me before I bought...

I know no one has this card, but I wasn't asking for facts or experience, but the best you could do to help me decide or reasure that I'm getting a card that will do what I want etc...

I've been looking through the link and it is exactly what I needed, there's lots of people with that card...THANkS! :)
 
PRiZ,

forget about it.

AES/EBU is basically the sampe thing as spdif, just different connectors. You don't need it.

Since you want to go the RME route, I would suggest doing it the right way.

The right way is :

one RME ad8 ad converter(compares to the $5000+ apogee)
and one RME digital i/o card.

That way, you have 8 channels of good analog i/o and all the digital i/o you want.

THe rme ad8 costs about $1300 and you can get an RME card for about $300 total 1600. You'll be totally happy

Or you could just spend $375 on the omni studio

Whatever you do, make sure that you have at least two channels of analog i/o. Mono does not cut it. One input doesnot either.

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hey dolemite,
I'll dig up the files and hopefully post them tomorrow.
 
actually,

I was getting the RME to avoid getting an external converter and save money, but still get quality with converters...

Apparently the sound of the AD converters on the RME aint too good, or atleast not as good as the Lynx I don't think....
I havn't really been able to get a clear answer, but I'm getting tired of this card...

Do you think the DAL Card deluxe with an added midi interface would surfice my needs.
An aes/aub adaptor can be hooked to it to give it that type of connectionin in replace to the S/pdif.

This is taking too long, I'm thinking to grab the Lynx one because it's delt in Canada meaning 700$ where the 600$US deluxe will probably come to 1000$CAN atleast after it's taxes across border etc.

What do you think the Lynx or DAl Card deluxe...which one is the better choice???

I'm not using super top notch MIC's and preamps or a super recording room and don't think I ever will be, so I wouldn't be able to apreciate the 96khz anyways from what I've heard...

My only conern is it has...Two 24-bit Analog Inputs and Two 24-bit Analog Outputs and 24-bit/96 kHz AES/EBU or S/PDIF I/O
so thats analog 2-in 2-out and digital I/O meaning 6 in all.

The card deluxe is the exact same for connections...
The card deluxe doesn't have asio2...

Sorta tuff decision...?????
Can I have any of your oppinions...???????????????
Thanks!
 
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"I'm not using super top notch MIC's and preamps or a super recording room and don't think I ever will be, so I wouldn't be able to apreciate the 96khz anyways from what I've heard... "

"and don't think I ever will be"... ummm, then why are you so worried about the converters being so perfect. Without a good mic and pre, you're outta luck, sound quality wise, anyway.
 
I was worried, when I wasn't desperate for a card.

concerned with, because converters are the most important in the chain, a good preamp will make little to no difference after 200-300$, a good mic yes, but good converters will make the most difference, and there's no way to get great sound with bad converters...
I meant I never will have a 2000$ preamp or a mic over 500$ etc, or even a completely perfect room with perfect mic placement, and this is the only way the 96khz will really be noticed...or atleast from the oppinions I've been given, plus I'm just trying to talk myself into getting a card mainly. ;)

What do you think about this decision(s)...?

I'm sick of this search, I'm going to look for a store nearby, and if they have the Lynx I think I'll buy it...but I'll probably end up waiting for responses first, so let me have some response pleeease ASAP...

I'm a little concerned about the I/O situation, here's how i figure it will work.
- 2 analog outputs to the pair of monitors...
- 2 analog inputs for a turntable in future, maby a dedicated ad converter for future, but I dought it since the Lynx has great quality already...only thing next is mayby an external reverb for good vocal effects. (I can always plug in and out to make it work do to a lack of In's if I do everything one step at a time.)
- 2 midi I/O will go to a keyboard and have the rest extras for future...does a sound module require a slot? do I need a sound module to use a keyboard? Does a sound module not use a midi In.
- 24-bit/96 kHz AES/EBU or S/PDIF I/O will go to the preamp to a mic for recording...????????

^^^^^^^^now please tell me if this will work, or if I have my concept wrong...PLEASE!!! I'm not buying anything until I get a response...

This route might leave me enuff for the event 20/20 bas monitors which no one has given me a canadian price for yet, and mayby I could fit in a cheaper/but good keyboard, mic and preamp as best as I can, and make it just barely to a setup that'll do what I want to a finished product... Or atleast have half the setup going and making real progress.

I need your oppinions on this, it's important.
One last thing can I sample off cd's good with this soundcard, I realized that the RME had a cd code translater etc, but this doesn't really matter does it...? Do cd's put blocks on cd's to stop from trnasfering it's data to cd? I plan on sampleing from cd's until i can buy a turntable to use vinyl... Will my normal cd writer or computer cd-rom do this good??? ...They're on a new computer so they are probably somewhat advanced.

I'm serious folks, I'm gonna buy something tomorrow and my endless questions will stop repeating... This could be my last post about this... Thanks!!!!!!
 
Do you want me to tell you how wrong you are again?

I got the time...but I'm running out of patience...
 
WHY!!!!!

why am I wrong, does the Lynx not have the best converters of any soundcard without buying an extra 800 dollar ad converter with a soundcard... I'm running out of paitience more than you ever will. Give me three reasons why this card is not explosive. THREEEEEE!!!!! or even one, I wanna know...?
I've had this post up for three days now and your the only one to answer, so I'm greatfull. I would have bought it but the dealers don't seem to be returning my last emails for purchase arrangements.
THANKS...
 
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OK, I'm gonna go over this once more. For the price of the Lynx you could get an M-Audio Omni Studio and a 2 in 2 out USB MIDI Interface. You would then have:

1. Very good converters
2. Very good pres
3. 4-in 4-out balanced analog connections
4. SPDIF I/O
5. flexible routing options for effects sends, inserts, etc
6. a simple, zero latency monitoring system
7. good driver/tech support
8. a good MIDI interface

If you want to go with the Lynx, by all means do it (and by now we can all tell that's what you want). But for my money I would take the above setup over the Lynx any day. I'm sure the converters are great...but keep in mind that you can get a more flexible/capable setup (with 95% of the sound quality) that will do much more for the same price as the Lynx. If you're OK with that, then you are an idiot and you should buy the Lynx.

Get the Lynx, we all know you fucking want it, and who wouldn't? I'm sure its a great card and all, so just buy it and get it over with....I know you aren't going to listen to me any damn way, so just do it.

I think I speak for the majority of HR BBS members when I say that we're tired of listening to you bitch about it.
 
thanks!

Can you say wether I have enuff I/O's with the lynx for my setup.
Or if how I explained it will work...???

"If you're OK with that, then you are an idiot and you should buy the Lynx."

I'm sure I'm not the only one on this board that would take the lynx over what you've presented...am I the only one? who else is an idiot...?

"I know you aren't going to listen to me any damn way, so just do it."

I always reply to you, oh I see, I don't do whatever you say, sorry master...

"I think I speak for the majority of HR BBS members when I say that we're tired of listening to you bitch about it."

always nice to get a reply from you :)
 
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