Recovering from solid state....

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After trading posts with a guy making his own cabs, he has my interest in "personalized" amps peaked more than ever! So.....let's assume that I go the "raw driver plus gutted cab" route and put together my own combination of (probably Weber 12 inch Blue Dogs) speakers plus amp.

After doing searches on the popular forums, I think most of them I cannot rely on for unbiased amp info, since they are heavily overrun with metal heads and death rockers. (No offense, I just want to avoid heads made for heavy metal specifically) With that in mind, where or what would people suggest looking at first as far as reliable, well built amp heads (I'll provide my own open back 2x12 speaker cab) that have great basic tones for classic rock styles. Not necessarily huge watts, anything between 50 to 100w is more than enough, but more along the lines of "works better after falling off a semi and rolling down the mountain" type of amp...... Built like a tank, sounds like Stevie Ray!

I dont do heavy metal or grundge, and I dont use pedals. I play an American made Strat with Fender Noiseless pickups and Super Slinkys, and I like to crank the amp while leaving the guitar knobs at about 50%. I only need an amp to make 4 or 5 great tones (clean fast rhythm, chunky gritty rhythm, clean punchy lead, gritty blues lead, some occasional searing bluesrock/jazzrock leads). Foot switchable would be nice! I have found that I prefer a tube sound over any solid state sound. I consider myself to be recovering from deep and severe solid state abuse.

The thing that stands out in memory is reading several posts about some guy who makes amps, I think his last name is actually the brand name, and people absolutely rave about them. I would gladly try one! But I'm open to all suggestions that go beyond the ordinary GC offerings or the profit oriented music store brands like Marshall, Fender, Peavey, Crate, Line 6, Orange, etc. I already have an old 1968 Fender Champ (sentimental value), old Peavey Studio Chorus 70 (acceptable as a window rattler), new Vox AD50VT (love this one!), and a new little ss Traynor TRM40 practice amp (love this one too!). I've gotten rid of and disavowed all association with Marshall, Line 6, Lab Series, Orange, Crate, Acoustic, Ampeg, new Peavey, and a few others along the way.

What does that leave? The less well known stuff is not out of the question, as long as there are no issues with service or disappearing support.

Thanks in advance for any tips! - SC
 
Traynor makes a tube amp that is footswitchable.

THD makes some amps that fit the description, but only one is footswitchable (which I haven't played), the other two just kick ass.

Rivera makes some stuff.

Marshall makes a single channel 50 watt head called the 1987x. One channel but its definately a classic sound along the line of what you laid down.

Mesa has some amps that are easily found used that are 2 channels and they are nothing like the nu-metal Triple Recs that are destroying the airwaves.

Then there is Budda. I haven't played one of their amps, but I owned one of their tube pedals and it was the single greatest pedal I have ever used and their amps are one of the few that I still get the chills just thinking about. I just have never ran into one in a store to play, but if its anything like the pedal....wow!

There are not a lot of non-'profit oriented' amp makers out there. Everyone is trying to make a buck if they admit it or not. I think the question becomes, can you afford the less profit oriented amp makers. They tend to cost 2-3 the price.
 
Outlaws said:
Traynor makes a tube amp that is footswitchable.

THD makes some amps that fit the description, but only one is footswitchable (which I haven't played), the other two just kick ass.

Rivera makes some stuff.

Marshall makes a single channel 50 watt head called the 1987x. One channel but its definately a classic sound along the line of what you laid down.

Mesa has some amps that are easily found used that are 2 channels and they are nothing like the nu-metal Triple Recs that are destroying the airwaves.

Then there is Budda. I haven't played one of their amps, but I owned one of their tube pedals and it was the single greatest pedal I have ever used and their amps are one of the few that I still get the chills just thinking about. I just have never ran into one in a store to play, but if its anything like the pedal....wow!

There are not a lot of non-'profit oriented' amp makers out there. Everyone is trying to make a buck if they admit it or not. I think the question becomes, can you afford the less profit oriented amp makers. They tend to cost 2-3 the price.

Ditto the THD amps very classic sounds.
 
Thank You mucho for the leads and tips. I had forgotten about THD and Budda, and completely overlooked Mesa just because all the metal guys rave about the triple rectumfryer stuff.

I will check into this, really appreciate your time! - SC
 
Carvin Vintage Series and the Alessandro Line may be worth checking out
 
I'm affraid to ask but,...how do you pronounce that? :o
 
SteveK said:
Fuchs. http://www.fuchsaudiotechnology.com/ I have four of Andy's amps and IMHO there is nothing better.

The description and specs read like a guitar dream, but I cant pay $4,000 for an amp....... darn it. Thanks for the link, though...... something to keep in the little black book....
 
apl said:
Check out WoodCross Amps. The guy who builds them will be glad to talk to you about what you're trying to accomplish.

All I see on the site is 15w stuff. Slightly below my needs......or is it my wants....needs......wants....needs.....
 
soundchaser59 said:
All I see on the site is 15w stuff. Slightly below my needs......or is it my wants....needs......wants....needs.....

My understanding is that a 15W tube amp is very loud. It seems that unless you're playing in a very loud band, these smaller tube amps are plenty.
 
Am I stuck believing that I have to spend well over $1000 to get a decent amp head?? Everything I've looked into has been in the $2000-$5000 range. Talk about sticker shock!

Why are combo amps (what I'm used to) so much cheaper than the head+stack thing??

No great sounding heads under $1000?

Whoooaaaaaa...........
 
Univalves are well under 1K...if you've even interested in the THD stuff, you might want to check out http://www.univalve.net/forums_new/ ...they talk Flexi's and Bi's there as well. Quite often you'll find them for sale...then there's the obvious...Evilbay or GC...but I think the GC prices are a bit high....I picked up my Uni (NEW) and a Yellow Jacket for $700.


Here's a Flexi for 1050.00 http://www.univalve.net/forums_new/viewtopic.php?t=1041

Another Flexi on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/New-THD-Flexi-5...387825911QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem





Best luck
 
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soundchaser59 said:
Am I stuck believing that I have to spend well over $1000 to get a decent amp head?? Everything I've looked into has been in the $2000-$5000 range. Talk about sticker shock!

Why are combo amps (what I'm used to) so much cheaper than the head+stack thing??

No great sounding heads under $1000?

Whoooaaaaaa...........


$1000 is decent, but if you want 50-100 watts of quality, you will be spending more like $1500-2000 after tax for a new one.

Like punkin said, the THD isn't a grand and its better built than 95% of amps costing much more. That said, you should still try before you buy, but eBay has them at very affordable prices. I bought my THD BiValve off there for $800 with two sets of power tubes (6L6 and EL34). New it would be more like $1200.

As for other brands, there aren't many 50 watt boutique amps under a grand...unless they are complete unknowns.

Do you need 50 watts? Tube amps sound best when cranked, so either a power soak (attenuator) will be needed, or a lot less watts if you want natural distortion at reasonable volumes.

Without lingering on THD, the UniValve and BiValve have attenuators built in, and are 15 watts and 30 watts respectively......but are plent to gig with when hooked to a 412 cab....the Uni might have trouble with cleans though at gig volume levels...but thats why there are mics. :p


Other 15 watt amps are available form other makers. i can't think of any off hand, but most will still be expensive compared to the brands you say you don't want simply because they have a higher overhead for production.

(everyone else pimps the amps they own....so why not lol......)
http://www.thdelectronics.com/soundclips.htm
 
I have a 1984 Marshall 50 watt 1x12 combo (model 4210). This is the combo version of the 2205 head (I think). These have a split channel. You can get a decent clean sound or a variety of good overdriven sounds. The channel switching is accomplished with a pedal.

These can be found cheap. I got mine for $400, but $600 may be a more typical price. I gig with it all the time.
 
If you are planning on an attempt at making your own cabs, why not go a bit more, and make your own amp,... lots of great sites out there to guide you, and some sell kits, or partial kits,... or even mods for current, and vintage amps....


Lots of great info about the valves that drive all of em too,.......



me, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< for example,.... tons of tubes of every variety,..... but there are others here who can also advise, or at least give advice based on first hand experience......

One thing to consider in your search,.... for YOUR version of the 'PERFECT TONE'.... a whole lot depends on many other factors than just the amp and cab,..... what brand is the tube,... current, or NOS,... what speaker is in that cab,.... what are the electronics in the instrument/s

are the speakers, or is the speaker, an 8", or 10,.... paper cone, or hemp,...???


all of these will effect the end product,.....



your personal tastes of what you play, and how you play,... will determine your sound,..... not completely out of hand money wise,.... your search can satisfy without a whole lot of $$$ if you do some resesrch .... ask questions,... and drag one of your own axes to wherever you are trying out an amp,..... playing one of the stores instruments is not a true test,..... if yours is a strat, of a vintage variety,... and you hear the amp by playing something else,...


you don't need any disappointments there, nothing like gettin the damn thing home only to hear something different with your own instrument.. not extremely hard to do a head your self,...


Heres a great place to start,... for a DIY type,... or not.....

http://www.firebottle.com/fireforum/fireBB.cgi?cfg=ga&enter=go

another.... http://www.torresengineering.com/


and yet another... http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/cgi-bin/mojotone/


and .. http://www.avatarspeakers.com/


and yet,..... http://www.ax84.com/

That one is a great site for inspiration to DIY.......Lots of photos, and links to many other sites with a DIY community....


Lots of help in other words...


Have at it man,..... :D
 
seriously consider the new VOX AC15cc

its a rarely talked about amp but i LOVE mine. it sounds warm and rich with a beatufiul vox-y bite. it sounds ESPECIALLY nice with the 62 RI strat, Gretsch Tenny and the Rick 350v63


I even got the metal stand from north coast music. it looks like the AC30s little bother.
 
Thanks again to everyone for the excellent info. I do not feel nearly as shocked or discouraged now! You guys really know your stuff, and you make it much easier than the people posting at "that other forum"......

I have to specifically thank Outlaws, for the THD link. I listened to all of the sound clips on their site, I have to say those sounds are both versatile and quite good. I really enjoyed that! I heard a lot of what I am after in those clips. I will be finding a dealer and giving the THD amps a good shot at grabbing my ear.... There is actually one about 2 hours from me.

Thank You again, every body! Much appreciated! - SC
 
You may want to try Avatar for the THD deal they have,.... if you buy one of their cabs, they give you a discount on the THD of your choice,.... and they do have some discounted from their test labs.....go to the deals page,... or closeouts,....you'll see it....


Steve
 
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