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It didn't work with the sound card or the computer?
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nopoetic
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it works with the computer, but the sound card is crap so it isnt compatiable with it. my computer isnt really that great either, i just added ram to speed it up a little.
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It's the soundcard included with the computer
when you bought it isn't it?
Though you would think it would work with Sonar...
when you bought it isn't it?
Though you would think it would work with Sonar...
Chris Fallen
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If Sonar doesn't work, then I'd advise you to go download N-Track. It's free (you have to upgrade for the 24bit version) and it's easy to learn. That will allow you to use as many tracks as you want.
As for phase problems, those will only matter with anything that ISN'T close miced, so you don't need to worry with anything except the drum overheads (I think, at least).
For your application, you might want to start out JUST recording drums, then overdubbing the other instruments. The lowest track count you can have for (IMHO) a decent drum set is four, two ohs and a snare and a kick. Then after that you can just od everything one at a time. If you want to do everything together, you're going to be picking up everything in the drum overheads, so that could cause a problem.
If you want to go 10 track, mic them, and record them all at the same time, I'd advise getting a mixer with direct outs, or inserts in every channel, that way to can send them all to a soundcard that has multiple ins. If you're going to go the (cheaper) way and only get four like I said, you can get something like a delta 44 or 66 and use the 4 ins on it. If you go ten, then you'll need something like a delta 1010. Yeah they're expensive, but it's what you need.
For mixers, I'd say go for either a Soundcraft E Series (which have inserts on every channel) or a Soundcraft M Series.
As for phase problems, those will only matter with anything that ISN'T close miced, so you don't need to worry with anything except the drum overheads (I think, at least).
For your application, you might want to start out JUST recording drums, then overdubbing the other instruments. The lowest track count you can have for (IMHO) a decent drum set is four, two ohs and a snare and a kick. Then after that you can just od everything one at a time. If you want to do everything together, you're going to be picking up everything in the drum overheads, so that could cause a problem.
If you want to go 10 track, mic them, and record them all at the same time, I'd advise getting a mixer with direct outs, or inserts in every channel, that way to can send them all to a soundcard that has multiple ins. If you're going to go the (cheaper) way and only get four like I said, you can get something like a delta 44 or 66 and use the 4 ins on it. If you go ten, then you'll need something like a delta 1010. Yeah they're expensive, but it's what you need.
For mixers, I'd say go for either a Soundcraft E Series (which have inserts on every channel) or a Soundcraft M Series.
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nopoetic
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yeah, the overhead problem i think i've solved, for starting out im just going to be micing with the overheads, and im gonna use some sort of gobo to keep it from leaking into the rest of the room etc. and im closeing micing the amps so thats not a problem. and i dont think i know what phase canceling is exactly.
i'll look into those mixers and im gonna go with the Delta 1010. just gonna have to get the money for it. as far as mics, im gonna go with some good condensors for the drums and Shure SM57s on the amps.
i'll look into those mixers and im gonna go with the Delta 1010. just gonna have to get the money for it. as far as mics, im gonna go with some good condensors for the drums and Shure SM57s on the amps.
Chris Fallen
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Do a search, you'll want to learn about it.nopoetic said:
Don't forget for snare the SM57 works, too, same with toms and (to an extent) kick drum.nopoetic said:
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nopoetic
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also, to record with the Delta 1010, do i need a mixer that has....for instance, if im recording with 8 mics and i run 8 mics through 8 inputs into the mixer, do i need 8 outputs from the mixer into the soundcard, or can i run 1 or 2 inputs from the mixer into the soundcard and still get 8 seperate channels?
Chris Fallen
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You will need a track by track transfer, so for 8 tracks you'll need 8 direct outs (or tapped inserts) going into the 8 1010 inputs.
If you send them all as two, that means it's a stereo mix (L and R channel) and when recorded you'll only have the L and R channels, not the actual 8 tracks.
If you send them all as two, that means it's a stereo mix (L and R channel) and when recorded you'll only have the L and R channels, not the actual 8 tracks.
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nopoetic
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ok, i see......so if i had a mixer and just sent it in stereo to the computer i couldnt edit each seperate track. but i could still lower mic levels for each channel on the mixer before sending it. at least i know where i stand with this and i understand a lot more about it now. and i know what i need to get. im gonna look around for a mixer than has the same number of outputs as inputs so i can run all (8 channels for example) into the sound card at once. and what sites would have info on Phase Canceling.
Chris Fallen
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Search this BBS for phase cancellation.nopoetic said:
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nopoetic
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ok, i think i understand what phase cancellation is. now how do i prevent it. if anyone can help on that.
Chris Fallen
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Haha. It's hard to explain. All I can say is read as much about it as you can. That will give you an understanding on how to prevent it.