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norm55
New member
Hey guys I can see poptstar point of view I dont think hes trying to rip any one But maybe there should be 2 MP3 forums a midi and analog Just to make everyone happy
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ametth
Sir Cool of Coronado
norm..your kidding?
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Vurt
New member
That's actually not that crazy of an idea. I would enjoy it just because I would fall into that category for the most part, and like knowing if someone's tune I'm listening to was done with tools similar to mine. I'd be happier, though, if people would just mention their setup when they post an mp3.
I dug ito the mp3 files the other night, and you know, few people using cassette systems are posting anything. That sort of encouraged me to post something myself, which is something I should be working on right now instead of talking about this...
I dug ito the mp3 files the other night, and you know, few people using cassette systems are posting anything. That sort of encouraged me to post something myself, which is something I should be working on right now instead of talking about this...
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Sound Cracker
New member
This place is a regular party for sure!
Shailat, your compression article was most excellent! But, you had a link to some other dudes article, and it didn't work. What gives? And who is this Sonusman anyway? I like the latin twist in the name!
Some of you are far too uptight for your own good.
I have chosen to take a low profile on this BBS from past experiences on a BBS. Thus, the reason I will not post links to bands I have worked with. It would seem that people don't like to hear that a NT1 sucks, and like to harrass you with email as a result of questioning someone making a choice for one.
Is THIS that type of place? Or do you guys just flip shit at everybody who has experience, confindence, and strong opinions about sound? I feel bad for you if that is the case. If you reviewed every word I have posted in this thread, you would not find the type of attitude some of you seem to possess yourself.
Anyway, be yourselves, please. You won't run me off here.
Good day!
Shailat, your compression article was most excellent! But, you had a link to some other dudes article, and it didn't work. What gives? And who is this Sonusman anyway? I like the latin twist in the name!
Some of you are far too uptight for your own good.
I have chosen to take a low profile on this BBS from past experiences on a BBS. Thus, the reason I will not post links to bands I have worked with. It would seem that people don't like to hear that a NT1 sucks, and like to harrass you with email as a result of questioning someone making a choice for one.
Is THIS that type of place? Or do you guys just flip shit at everybody who has experience, confindence, and strong opinions about sound? I feel bad for you if that is the case. If you reviewed every word I have posted in this thread, you would not find the type of attitude some of you seem to possess yourself.
Anyway, be yourselves, please. You won't run me off here.
Good day!
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ametth
Sir Cool of Coronado
Sound Cracker: C'mon. I just wanna hear something. Thats it. Dont worry about taking a "low profile"...your not that fucking important. I can recommend shit all day, but I need to back that up with some substance. It's obvious you know what your talking about. I just wanna hear something.
This place is funny though. I too have strong opinions on sound. I too hate the NT1 and others like it. I'll post all day telling people not to buy it, but in the end, they all do
. I have never once got an email about it. This place is actually pretty cool.
But anyway, I hope you stay around. It's refreshing to hear some opinions that I can relate to.
This place is funny though. I too have strong opinions on sound. I too hate the NT1 and others like it. I'll post all day telling people not to buy it, but in the end, they all do
. I have never once got an email about it. This place is actually pretty cool.But anyway, I hope you stay around. It's refreshing to hear some opinions that I can relate to.
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
.......Boston sucks.......and that 3630 is one hell of a compressor.....
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TaxMan88
New member
Just my two cents.
I've noticed quite a bit here that whenever a question comes up about someone's post or suggestion, the first thing mentioned almost every time is "In my XX(X)
years experience . . . "
Do we all feel like we have to justify what we do or say on here with the amount of time we've spent at a board? Yes, in a way it lends credibility to what you say because experience is linked to expertise, but in a way it also takes your credibility away. It appears to be boasting and to be quite honest, a guy can have twenty years experience recording and still SUCK at it. On the other hand, a guy could have five years experience and be a wonderful engineer.
Don't wave year counts, let your information and product demonstrate your credibility.
Just my two cents
--Tax
I've noticed quite a bit here that whenever a question comes up about someone's post or suggestion, the first thing mentioned almost every time is "In my XX(X)
years experience . . . " Do we all feel like we have to justify what we do or say on here with the amount of time we've spent at a board? Yes, in a way it lends credibility to what you say because experience is linked to expertise, but in a way it also takes your credibility away. It appears to be boasting and to be quite honest, a guy can have twenty years experience recording and still SUCK at it. On the other hand, a guy could have five years experience and be a wonderful engineer.
Don't wave year counts, let your information and product demonstrate your credibility.
Just my two cents
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TaxMan88
New member
Oh, and Cracker . . .
You may want to think about this.
You might think the NT1 sucks, but you have to consider who you are advising when you are talking about equipment. For one specific person, the NT1 might be the best choice for their budget. For another person an 800 dollar Neumann would be the trick. There can be no BEST equipment. There CAN, however, be the best equipment for the situation or budget. And if the NT1 is the best for someone's particular situation or budget, so be it.
--Tax
You may want to think about this.
You might think the NT1 sucks, but you have to consider who you are advising when you are talking about equipment. For one specific person, the NT1 might be the best choice for their budget. For another person an 800 dollar Neumann would be the trick. There can be no BEST equipment. There CAN, however, be the best equipment for the situation or budget. And if the NT1 is the best for someone's particular situation or budget, so be it.
--Tax
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
Yeah SoundCracker, I think Sonusman is Latin for soundman....I'd give you the link to his site (Echo Star Studio) but I havent been able to get there in a while...pretty cool mp3's there...you wouldnt know what happened to that link?....Funny, since Cracker is ebonics for white man, you name is translated SoundWhiteMan, pretty similar to sonusman...hmmm.....well I'm off to record something....I,ve got my Radio Shack mics hooked into my 4 track...you know, the beatles only had 4 tracks so i figure I can get some "pro" sounds, just like the the "big boys"....I just run my mixes through a "finalizer"...thats the trick of the major studios but they dont tell you that....and if you hear from Ed (sonusman) tell him we said hi.....
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Sound Cracker
New member
Very unusual post Gidge.
It would seem that you somehow think I am Sonusman. Blue Bear Sound asked a similar question in another thread. Sorry, but you have mistaken who I am.
Neologisms are far from anything I studied in school, or out of interest. I did a search and tried to find out what Cracker might mean in Ebonics, but failed to find your description. Maybe you have a link?
I assume then that your ideas about how to record are some kind of joke right? Although, Shure used to make microphones that had the Radio Shack name on it. The best RS "Highball" mic was the same exact thing as a SM-48. I have used worse mics for recording. Moreover, every mastering facility I have taken work to has a TC Electronics Finalizer and usually uses it in one capacity or another. Boston had decent enough tunes on their first two albums, but the last two releases are somewhat blah. I prefer much harder edge music then that, but can respect the contributions Tom Scholtz has made in the music industry in various capacities. Did you know that he produced some drum tracks for Sammy Hagar in the early 80's? 3630 compressors suffer mostly from a bad gain structure internally which means that a lot of makeup gain must be used when you use one, but otherwise, they can work well enough. Like a lot of low end compressors, you can't push them too hard. The RNC is much nicer sounding. Behringer has some stuff that I feel sounds better too, and I think their stuff is a little cheaper. I don't know because I haven't ever bought a 3630 before, but have worked at places that have them.
The Doors recorded on 4 track too, and I like the sound they got much better then most Beatles recordings. Very smooth and lush for its time. Much of the early Prince recordings were recorded on a 4 track, so you are definitely right that you can get a great sound with one if you have the time to experiment. Great recordings start though with having great microphones and a variety of them available. The Beatles used a lot of Telefunken preamps, and those are some great sounding preamps. Many companies have tried to design preamps that sound like them, but it is getting harder to sell such an ugly box, even though the electronic integrity of point to point wiring, and very big bulky components real does sound better then stuff put on a printed circuit board, like most of the new equipment coming out. Too bad. Newer guitar amplifiers suffer from this too, and it is getting hard to find a truly great sounding guitar amplifier that is younger then about 10 years old.
Good day!
It would seem that you somehow think I am Sonusman. Blue Bear Sound asked a similar question in another thread. Sorry, but you have mistaken who I am.
Neologisms are far from anything I studied in school, or out of interest. I did a search and tried to find out what Cracker might mean in Ebonics, but failed to find your description. Maybe you have a link?
I assume then that your ideas about how to record are some kind of joke right? Although, Shure used to make microphones that had the Radio Shack name on it. The best RS "Highball" mic was the same exact thing as a SM-48. I have used worse mics for recording. Moreover, every mastering facility I have taken work to has a TC Electronics Finalizer and usually uses it in one capacity or another. Boston had decent enough tunes on their first two albums, but the last two releases are somewhat blah. I prefer much harder edge music then that, but can respect the contributions Tom Scholtz has made in the music industry in various capacities. Did you know that he produced some drum tracks for Sammy Hagar in the early 80's? 3630 compressors suffer mostly from a bad gain structure internally which means that a lot of makeup gain must be used when you use one, but otherwise, they can work well enough. Like a lot of low end compressors, you can't push them too hard. The RNC is much nicer sounding. Behringer has some stuff that I feel sounds better too, and I think their stuff is a little cheaper. I don't know because I haven't ever bought a 3630 before, but have worked at places that have them.
The Doors recorded on 4 track too, and I like the sound they got much better then most Beatles recordings. Very smooth and lush for its time. Much of the early Prince recordings were recorded on a 4 track, so you are definitely right that you can get a great sound with one if you have the time to experiment. Great recordings start though with having great microphones and a variety of them available. The Beatles used a lot of Telefunken preamps, and those are some great sounding preamps. Many companies have tried to design preamps that sound like them, but it is getting harder to sell such an ugly box, even though the electronic integrity of point to point wiring, and very big bulky components real does sound better then stuff put on a printed circuit board, like most of the new equipment coming out. Too bad. Newer guitar amplifiers suffer from this too, and it is getting hard to find a truly great sounding guitar amplifier that is younger then about 10 years old.
Good day!
Blue Bear Sound
New member
Sound Cracker is NOT sonusman...
...Ed's doing allright - alive and kicking as ever... but I believe his website is down for the moment...
Bruce
...Ed's doing allright - alive and kicking as ever... but I believe his website is down for the moment...
Bruce
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ametth
Sir Cool of Coronado
still waiting...
When I was at the last NAMM show, there was a guy there remaking the telefunken v72. I was able to take a peek on the inside, it was a beautiful sight, discrete electronics are such a great thing to look at. The thing sounded wondeful too. I may pick up a pair. Anyway, heres the guys website: http://www.tab-funkenwerk.com
When I was at the last NAMM show, there was a guy there remaking the telefunken v72. I was able to take a peek on the inside, it was a beautiful sight, discrete electronics are such a great thing to look at. The thing sounded wondeful too. I may pick up a pair. Anyway, heres the guys website: http://www.tab-funkenwerk.com
drstawl
Banned
>I have yet to hear a tone module produce nuance in color that a real instrument will. With only 127 possible volocity settings available for sequenced material, I doubt I will hear anything soon that will capture it!
Sound Cracker: I think that the Roland Sound Canvas does this occasionally. Expression is more than just the available resolution for a particular parameter. I'd agree that 16 bits worth of any parameter have a better chance of imitating the sampled instrument than 8, but in the thousands of SC-88 based tunes I've written I'd say that a few patches there DO have the capability of being elevated to the sound of real instruments by the sequence itself. Personally I think that 24 bit samples combined with better capture of the sample at different parameter levels would help out more than just increasing the # of different choices for (for example) velocity settings.
Sound Cracker: I think that the Roland Sound Canvas does this occasionally. Expression is more than just the available resolution for a particular parameter. I'd agree that 16 bits worth of any parameter have a better chance of imitating the sampled instrument than 8, but in the thousands of SC-88 based tunes I've written I'd say that a few patches there DO have the capability of being elevated to the sound of real instruments by the sequence itself. Personally I think that 24 bit samples combined with better capture of the sample at different parameter levels would help out more than just increasing the # of different choices for (for example) velocity settings.
sonusman
Banned
drstawl said:
Funny that you bring this up after so much time doc. Me and Slack were discussing this vary thing ealier.
I stand behind my original statement. While it is a bit oversimplified, it is on track.
How many sampled sounds do you think they use for the average snare drum sound? 3? 4? Do you really think even a couple hundred could truely capture the nuance?
Then, we have the issue of "tracking" velocity via the trigger. I don't underestimate the power of muscle control. A well practiced drummer could literally play at hundreds of different levels on the same snare drum, each producing a nuance in sound that is totally distinctive to a listening ear. Until modules have THAT many samples available PER SOUND, and the hardware can "track" the input and accurately apply the proper sample to it, with latency under 5ms, tone modules are going to sound phoney. Imagine just the hardware requirements for something like this!!! A box like this ain't gonna be cheap.
I would suspect that each acoustic instrument sound would literally need thousands of samples available to be triggered to get in the realm of "realism". I could see something like an acoustic guitar needing 10's of thousands of samples. Then there is going to be a need for intelligent algorythems that can create the nuances that hitting multiple notes at once will produce, thus, many more samples.
I don't see this happening for a very very long time.
Just about when I start thinking tone modules sound like the "real thing", I record the "real thing" and find out all over again how far they have to go before they can emulate it. It is one thing to fool the casual listener, quite another to fool the enthusiast or professional.
That Sound Cracker guy sure is a bull head about these things eh?
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MrZekeMan
New member
Tom Sholtz
I have the Rockman Sustainor preamp/compressor and the Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay in the mini rack units. I love the sound from these units. I've never found anything that I like quite as much, as a matter of fact
But then again, I'm a huge Boston fan. Tom Sholtz sound is so unique. To me, it really stands out. So much stuff today sounds all the same. He's from a different era. An era when you could hear a brand new song on the radio, and immediately identify in the first few seconds as being from a certain group, because it carried their signature. Their unique sound.
The biggest complaint I ever heard against Boston was that same thing. All there stuff sounds the same. I could give a rip. It's a good sound to me.
BTW. does anyone have any thoughts on the Sustainor as a mic preamp? Can it be used as such? It doesn't have any balanced inputs or outputs. On the output controls it has a treble boost that goes into a PA amp range.
Zeke
I have the Rockman Sustainor preamp/compressor and the Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay in the mini rack units. I love the sound from these units. I've never found anything that I like quite as much, as a matter of fact
But then again, I'm a huge Boston fan. Tom Sholtz sound is so unique. To me, it really stands out. So much stuff today sounds all the same. He's from a different era. An era when you could hear a brand new song on the radio, and immediately identify in the first few seconds as being from a certain group, because it carried their signature. Their unique sound.
The biggest complaint I ever heard against Boston was that same thing. All there stuff sounds the same. I could give a rip. It's a good sound to me.
BTW. does anyone have any thoughts on the Sustainor as a mic preamp? Can it be used as such? It doesn't have any balanced inputs or outputs. On the output controls it has a treble boost that goes into a PA amp range.
Zeke