Recording a 4X12 & non-stop clipping

[travelin travis]

if you're using the built in preamps on the 1010lt ( it is a 1010lt is'nt it?), make sure you set the jumpers correctly on the card. check out the manual to learn how to set the jumpers. inputs 1 and 2 can be set to use the built in preamps or be used as line level inputs, via the jumpers on the card.

 

[B.C.Johnson]

Yeah, there are jumpers to switch between mic level and line level. Since the default setting is mic level, I haven't gone in and checked it out yet (and I'm absolutely positive I never fiddled around with those jumpers). But....I'm all out of ideas, and I think it's time I went in there and checked. I just really don't want to because of the shear number of cables I'd have to disconnect, not to mention opening the case and pulling out the card. It'll be a major production, but it seems to be the last possible problem.

 

[metalhead28]

if you're using the built in preamps on the 1010lt ( it is a 1010lt is'nt it?), make sure you set the jumpers correctly on the card. check out the manual to learn how to set the jumpers. inputs 1 and 2 can be set to use the built in preamps or be used as line level inputs, via the jumpers on the card.

Well, if he was mistakenly using the line level, there would be no problem with clipping the input. He would have a very weak signal from the mic.

 

[giraffe]

i hate to ram this one stupid point, but this exact thing is usually the cause of this exact problem.

maybe what's his head just got it wrong and you need to be on -10
(this is where i need to be on my soundcard)

have you tried -10?

 

[metalhead28]

Not trying to overthrow you or anything, but If he switched to -10 wouldn't it just be hotter still? The card would be set up to recieve an even weaker signal. But hey, I'm not saying don't try it!

 

[metalhead28]

Wait a minute....If we are talking about his mic-pre inputs than the pro/consumer (+4/-10) level adjusment has no application to this problem anyway. Just his line in, correct?

 

[giraffe]

i'm talking about the input level of his soundcard.

 

[giraffe]

Not trying to overthrow you or anything, but If he switched to -10 wouldn't it just be hotter still? The card would be set up to recieve an even weaker signal. But hey, I'm not saying don't try it!

on the digi 001 sound card +4 is hotter than -10
your sound card may be different.

 

[metalhead28]

i'm talking about the input level of his soundcard.

Yeah, but he's talking about his built in mic pre's on his soundcard, right?

 

[giraffe]

Ok, well if you go into the control panel again, it allows you to configure the signal level,
what have you set that to? +4Dbu, -4Dbu or -10
The +4DBu will let you accept or output a hotter signal.

This all should be in the manual. Have you tried a search on this,
there might be another thread similar to this
Another suggestion maybe, to purchase a mixer, or preamp.

i don't know his equipment, i'm really just guessing based on this post.

 

[travelin travis]

Maybe you could borrow another preamp to try? I seem to remember having a problem with clipping when trying to use the onboard pre's on my 1010LT.

 

[metalhead28]

i don't know his equipment, i'm really just guessing based on this post.

I was going by his post stating:

Sm57 > Delta 1010lt > Nuendo

There wouldn't be an +4/-10 adjustment on the mic pre's. At least I would assume not. It's only applicable to line level inputs.

 

[giraffe]

i may well be wrong about his equipment but........
you see this problem come up a lot, and it's always (99.98%) a gain staging issue.

 

[metalhead28]

i may well be wrong about his equipment but........
you see this problem come up a lot, and it's always (99.98%) a gain staging issue.

Even though I don't know exactly what is going on here, I'd have to agree with that.

 

[giraffe]

here's something

http://media.zzounds.com/media/DELTA1010LTr3-2d71ed3d86b5e5c15f4af7249afb73e7.pdf

the users manual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[metalhead28]

Okay. I looked at the manual for approximately 1 minute. There is clearly a switch on the card itself for attenuating the mic pre gain. Why is the manual the last thing anybody turns to?

 

[punkin]

Did he mention which inputs he was using? If it's #1 and #2, I think Metalhead may be on the right path.

I would suggest that he get away from the XLR connectors on the Delta 1010LT and move to any one of the other connections. That way there's not jumpers to fiddle fart around with and we'll cut to the chase real fast.

I've got a couple Delta1010LT's and I can't imagine why the sound would suck so badly except for as it's been said already...a gain stage problem.

Pretty simple Mic->mic pre->Delta input (without mic pre).

 

[travelin travis]

Okay. I looked at the manual for approximately 1 minute. There is clearly a switch on the card itself for attenuating the mic pre gain. Why is the manual the last thing anybody turns to?

There are'nt any switches on the card, just jumpers. It was mentioned already.

 

[punkin]

Okay. I looked at the manual for approximately 1 minute. There is clearly a switch on the card itself for attenuating the mic pre gain. Why is the manual the last thing anybody turns to?

I remember reading in this thread somewhere that the guy was not looking forward to taking things apart...some pretty ugly cabling...truth is, if you have a side access cover on the PC, you can change the jumpers using a bent paper clip and never have to pull the card out. You do need to unplug the computer first though

 

[punkin]

Sorry buddy...you're right...was thinking of something else...I had a similar situation where I did need to make this change...I ended up using a pair of skinny long needle nose pliers to pull the berg type jumpers from one position to the other. In my case all I had to do was pull the side PC cover off.