Ramones - Smash You - listen and critique please

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Cool. Another great job ;)
Only thing I'd say is that the vocals have a bit of a honk to them but it sounds authentic as does the whole song. I figure you ment it to be that way.

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Just a tone, perhaps boxy might describe it. A little nasal. Might be around 500hz??? Not real good at pulling hz's out of my hat. I'd have to mess with it. These asp8's really show any boxyness so it could just be me :o If no one else says anything then I'd not wory about it.

Hey, did a quicky on sad but true. Just for you :D


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Okay thanks for the clarification. I'm not hearing it, but that don't mean its not there. I'll play with it some and see what I can come up with.

Gonna check out your 'Sad but True'. ;)
 
Cleaned and cleared up the vocals some. Same link at the top of the page if anyones interested.
 
Greg_L said:
Cleaned and cleared up the vocals some. Same link at the top of the page if anyones interested.

I think they sound much better:) Cool!

Now you said my song I'm working on needs more air and I totally agree after listening :)

This song to me seems a bit bright to me. This being on my system. I think I will try and burn this later and play it on a few systems. Remember I'm still learning my monitors :o Haven't had as much time to take mixes out of the room as I'd like.


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Freudian Slip said:
I think they sound much better:) Cool!

Now you said my song I'm working on needs more air and I totally agree after listening :)

This song to me seems a bit bright to me. This being on my system. I think I will try and burn this later and play it on a few systems. Remember I'm still learning my monitors :o Haven't had as much time to take mixes out of the room as I'd like.


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If you do, let me know. I haven't heard this outside of my room yet, although my mixes usually translate halfway decently. My problem is usually with reverb. My room seems to trick me into thinking I need more, but then I'll listen on different systems and see that its way too much. On my end, it doesn't sound too bright, but that don't mean it's not. Is it the whole mix that sounds bright? Maybe just the cymbals? Guitars? Let me know what you think. :) :o
 
Greg_L said:
If you do, let me know. I haven't heard this outside of my room yet, although my mixes usually translate halfway decently. My problem is usually with reverb. My room seems to trick me into thinking I need more, but then I'll listen on different systems and see that its way too much. On my end, it doesn't sound too bright, but that don't mean it's not. Is it the whole mix that sounds bright? Maybe just the cymbals? Guitars? Let me know what you think. :) :o

Whole mix seems bright to me. I haven't taken it out of the room yet, but I did play it threw another pair of monitors and some nice phones. They both seemed a bit bright to.

Take it out and see what you think.

I may be bright sensetive today :D When my ears work right is shocks me :eek: :eek: :eek: . The sort of come and go :D

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PollyWaffle said:
i agree, what is your set up please?
Man, its tricky. Technical Ramones useless trivia coming right up:

Being a Ramones-o-phile for over 20 years now, its pretty obvious to me that Johnny had 3, maybe 4, distinct tones through the years. The first 4 albums have the classic Ramones buzz thats the hardest to duplicate. Its a single-coil sound through vintage tubes, but not using a whole lot of gain - just enough to get a buzz going. Their early amps didn't have master volume and gain controls, so he had to crank it to 10 to get it to distort. Johnnys guitar was junk, but his amps were awesome, so I use my strat using the bridge pickup only through my digitech processor set to a JCM800 sim. I run that through my amp on the clean channel and mic it center. It gets reasonably close to the early Ramones sound.

Their middle crop of albums from about 1980-83 were way overproduced, so Johnnys tone was pretty mangled. For those songs, I typically use the same setup as I would for the early tone, but with maybe more reverb.

After having their equipment stolen several times, Johnny finally settled on super-lead type Marshalls with master gain and volume controls around 1984. You can hear the difference on the later albums up until their retirement. His tone got a lot harder, but still maintained that classic Ramones feel by his continued use of his classic white Mosrite guitar. By this time he had installed a fat-strat single-coil p/u in the bridge. This 'modern' Ramones tone is the easiest to duplicate as you can use a lot of gain and any Marshall simulator can create the right sound. You still need to use a single-coil guitar though. Humbuckers don't give the right kind of sound for a Ramones tone.

Anyway, I know this is a long rambling post, but if you want to do a Ramones cover justice, the right guitar tone is CRUCIAL. Johnny's guitar and Joey's vocal style made the Ramones sound. Noone can sing like Joey without sounding dumb, but if you can successfully copy Johnny's guitar tone, you've won half the battle. I do a lot of covers (hell, I only do covers), and while Ramones songs are super-easy and fun to play, getting the 'vibe' right is harder than anyone elses stuff I've done.

You just have to spend time via trial-and-error. I wish there was a 'Johnny' pedal or something, but there isn't. You have to just find it for yourself. It's tough.

P.S. - A few months ago I played an actual, original Mosrite Ventures II through a JCM900 at Guitar Center. It was the PERFECT vintage Ramones sound. I almost cried. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm gonna break in there and steal that stuff. :cool:
 
Freudian Slip said:
Whole mix seems bright to me. I haven't taken it out of the room yet, but I did play it threw another pair of monitors and some nice phones. They both seemed a bit bright to.

Take it out and see what you think.

I may be bright sensetive today :D When my ears work right is shocks me :eek: :eek: :eek: . The sort of come and go :D

F.S.

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Okay, thanks for the feedback. I'm gonna check it out tomorrow.
 
Okay, rolled some highs off the mix, but left the cymbals a little shiny. Same link on page one. Let me know how it sounds.
 
Greg_L said:
Okay, rolled some highs off the mix, but left the cymbals a little shiny. Same link on page one. Let me know how it sounds.


Heading out, but burning it to cd first.


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Greg, everything sounds really great on this mix. Guitars, drums, bass and vocals....Nice tones and mixing... Playing is fabulous.... I like it!

:) :D :) :D
 
Ok. I listened out in the world. I think you don't need to cutt any more highs, but I think you need to dial up the lows. I turrned the bass knob up a hair and it sounded way more rounded. Seems pretty obvious to me now :rolleyes:
Any way. That's my take on it.

Anyone else?


Later

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Good stuff Greg. If this was playing on the radio I probably would have been fooled.
 
Thanks a lot Travis. :)

F.S. - Thanks for taking the time to listen on different systems. I appreciate it. I'm gonna put it on a CD and listen to it this weekend and see what it sounds like.
 
Greg_L said:
Man, its tricky. Technical Ramones useless trivia coming right up:

no such thing dude!

Greg_L said:
Anyway, I know this is a long rambling post, but if you want to do a Ramones cover justice, the right guitar tone is CRUCIAL.

well, i think you captured it as well as anyone could! did you down strum the guitar? the playing sounds like johnny's too, in fact i think it's an overall great performance & production
 
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