R. Walt Vincent...Mesmer Studios

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I'm a really, really big Pete Yorn fan and just a fan in general of anything that R. Walt Vincent produces. I know his studio is basically a home studio. The sound that he gets is amazing, and I'm wondering if anyone knows what he uses or how he does it???

R. Walt...Come to my house! And bring Pete and Josh Freese!!!

Sorry...I had to do that. Any info would be appreciated.
 
I know how he does it

cause he's me!

Thanks for the props - pretty broad question, tho -
If you have a more specific question, I'm sure I have an answer.

cheers.
 
Holy crap! This is unbelievable! R. Walt Vincent responded to my post!

Ok, sorry for acting like a little girl, but this is so cool.

I guess my main questions would be on acoustic guitars, electric guitars, and vocals. I love the sound you got on both Pete Yorn albums. That is kind of the sound that I'm striving for as I try to learn this stuff.

What kind of mics do you use? What preamps and compressors? What is your favorite piece of gear? What part of the recording process do you find to be the most crucial? How in the world did you get that sound in garage/home studio? Any other tips or tricks you want to share would be awesome.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my post. Feel free to answer any, all, or none of the above questions. Thanks again, you're awesome.
 
Hmmmmm.... one post to his name and he just happened to stumble across your thread? :rolleyes:

Gotta think someone is pulling your leg, electrikaz.
 
I thought about it...but I figured he probably typed his name in google, and this was one of the search results.

Ha! I just tried it on google, and it's the very first result that you get. Anyway, I believe him. If it's not him, he either won't post again, or we'll be able to tell when he does post.

Please return R. Walt! I have faith!
 
dachay2tnr said:
Hmmmmm.... one post to his name and he just happened to stumble across your thread? :rolleyes:

Gotta think someone is pulling your leg, electrikaz.
Seriously!
 
Search for "R. Walt Vincent" on Google. Seriously try it and see what happens. I've searched for my own name a couple times on Google. Most people have done it.

Maybe I'm idealistic....
 
egosurfing exposed

humiliating, but true.
listen, I'm as surprised that there is a thread with my name on it as you may be that I'm responding-
elektrikaz testimony of faith forces me to come clean.
It's really me, jerking off over my own google results.

proof?

mftma acoustic gtrs

mostly my martin M-35 recorded with an old AKG 451 2" from the 12th fret and a Manley Refcard tube mic 3-5 feet in front, both into an old Ampex MX-10 tube mic pre/mixer, summed into a distressor (either 4:1 or 6:1, depending on the track) into an Apogee AD-8000, then lightpipe into, believe it or not, a motu 2408 and onto a digital performer track. MFTMA was all digi perf. Before we mixed, we transferred all the tracks to two beautiful Studer 2" machines, and Brad Wood mixed most of the tracks off of tape. That really gave the acoustic gtrs some of the warmth and punch you hear in the tracks. I think we mostly went with the Manley mic, and brought the close mic up to add gut to the sound. Compression in mixing was minimal, as I think I beat the crap out of the tracks with the distressor when tracking. It was new, I was infatuated, and it's really easy to abuse.

DIF was a whole other animal, as I had more gear but -
it's late, and I'm beat
but its really me.
if you want more gear geekout, lemme know, and I'll continue when I've got a bit more juice.
 
Thank you so much for responding. You don't know how cool this is for me. That is one of my favorite albums of all time, even though it came out in 2001. That's amazing that one of my favorite albums was tracked into digital performer. That gives me hope!

I'd love to hear more about how that album was made. Vocals, drums, electric guitars, effects, anything. If you don't mind sharing. This is so cool!

Thank you again for posting. Also, I'm sure the board would greatly benefit from your knowledge, so if you want to stick around and post whenever you have time.

P.S. Everyone has searched for their own name on Google at one time or another. Nothing to be embarassed about, especially if you actually get results. I get none when I search for my name.
 
Isn't that awesome.. I'm not the only fool using digital performer!

I'm with you on that one Sir Vincent. If it were only a bit more stable, I'd easily say it tops logic.

It'd be cool to hear more about some of your techniques, so if you've got the time, we'd love to hear :)

Hrm, I wonder if I start a post about david bowie, he'll respond? ;)

See ya!
 
Marked by the Unicorn...

thispleasesme said:
Isn't that awesome.. I'm not the only fool using digital performer!

I'm with you on that one Sir Vincent. If it were only a bit more stable, I'd easily say it tops logic.

See ya!

Although I appreciate the respect, I must confess that I am not actually a knight. I don't know exactly how the legend of my honorary knighthood began here in the states, perhaps it was the preponderance of chainmail in my wardrobe. Who knows? Anyway, the queen's sword has never touched my shoulder. I was, however, a seventh level paladin in jr. high school, but that's another story.

Oh yeah - recording...
I did do a whole helluva a lot of work with digiperf, after mftma I did switch over to ProTools. The main reasons were that I was at my limit with host based processing, even on my (then new) dual 800G4. The other reason was that digidesign basically had the professional music production industry by the balls, and if I wanted to interface effectively with any major studio, I had to be working on the established industry platform. I was also tired of all the titters and jeers from the Record Plant techs when I pulled out my "Digital Timepiece". ("... you ever heard about the pro tools, son? you know, that's what all the real producers use...). I also thought they were making "whinneying" sounds behind my back, but maybe I was getting paranoid...

Anyway, I made the switch, and although I love the tools, I really missed my beloved midi/audio integration, I struggled around it until recently - now I'm in programming heaven thanks to PT 6.4, Reason and REWIRE. Man, I fucking love this shit - sample accurate sync between all my programmed tracks and audio - programming audio routed right into the PT mixer - and being able to create tempo maps of live takes, and have all the programming follow - especially REX files that "follow" the performances - it's geek heaven - a whole new candy store.

So that's my longwinded software history- what else?
Well, here are my current favorite mics from my (not very large) cabinet.

Manley REFCARD tube mic
Royer 121 Ribbon Mic
Shure SM-7
Shure SM58 (believe it or not, I continue to find great uses for this mic)

Once again, describing "techniques" seems meaningless unless applied to a situation... any techniques in particular?

cheers.
 
Mr. Vincent...

Thank you again for sharing with us.

It does seem like THEY want you to use ProTools, don't want to get into that, there's been enough arguments on that topic already on this board. I use Cubase SX and love it, but I have heard great things about PT 6.4.

As far as specific techniques...I would love it if you would talk about the vocal and drum techniques used on MFTMA. As far as vocals go...I love the sound on you got on that album. They sound very crisp and present, and you captured all of the grit in Pete's voice even though they're not at the forefront of the mix. Were they tracked in an isolation booth? Out in a room? Close MICed? Which mic did most of the vocals go through?

As far as drums...it seems like the drums really drive the songs on that album. I love how loud they are without taking everything over. They have a really great stereo image. On some songs I think I hear a lot of snare panned hard left and hard right...am I hearing correctly? I don't have a lot of experience micing drums, so I'm not even sure which questions to ask.

Well, thanks again for taking the time to respond. I look forward to your next post.
 
R. Walt Vincent said:
Oh yeah - recording...
I did do a whole helluva a lot of work with digiperf, after mftma I did switch over to ProTools. The main reasons were that I was at my limit with host based processing, even on my (then new) dual 800G4. The other reason was that digidesign basically had the professional music production industry by the balls, and if I wanted to interface effectively with any major studio, I had to be working on the established industry platform. I was also tired of all the titters and jeers from the Record Plant techs when I pulled out my "Digital Timepiece". ("... you ever heard about the pro tools, son? you know, that's what all the real producers use...). I also thought they were making "whinneying" sounds behind my back, but maybe I was getting paranoid...

Anyway, I made the switch, and although I love the tools, I really missed my beloved midi/audio integration, I struggled around it until recently - now I'm in programming heaven thanks to PT 6.4, Reason and REWIRE. Man, I fucking love this shit - sample accurate sync between all my programmed tracks and audio - programming audio routed right into the PT mixer - and being able to create tempo maps of live takes, and have all the programming follow - especially REX files that "follow" the performances - it's geek heaven - a whole new candy store.

You know, I'm going to HAVE to learn PT eventually considering the school I'm going to next year (Berklee) is protools based, as well as basically the entire industry. I have contemplated the switch, but it's just SO expensive considering I'd have to replace my audio hardware as well.

I'm currently running an 896HD with DP4. To switch to PT would mean selling the 896, saving up the difference to buy hardware, etc. etc.

And even then, to make sure I didn't go too long without recording abilities, I'd have to settle for an LE system. Then! To boot, the top of the line LE system only has 6 ins. My recording work flow has always required all 8 of my MOTU's ins and often several of the outs (5-6). There is no way I'm going to work overtime for two months in order to step down in capability, you know? So it seems like the only logical step seperate from cost would be to step up to PT HD and lets not even get into how expensive that would be. My goodness. Damn, what to do? Haha.
 
only if you have to

Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not saying PT is better than any other DAW, just that it's an industry standard here in los angeles - when session hopping between studios here in town, they're already set up for pro-tools/tape/console sync - it's a "sign" that you're in the "pro" club - plus, I can go play ping pong while the tech sets up the rig, cause he's done it a million times - plus there's always a "solution" to a problem in digiworld - throw money at it.

A DAW is a lot like an instrument - as long as it's working for your needs, don't upgrade until you really feel like you have to. I think you learn a lot figuring out how to get more out of the gear you got rather than relying on next generation specs to make your shit sound better.

If you're the only one using your DAW, use whatever you like and can afford - if you want to hand your session over to an assistant to transfer to 2" and not have it interrupt your pingpong game, it had better be in a professional "industry format". For now, that's a ProTools session...

elektrikatz - PY vocal chain -
manley REFCARD tube mic into either 1)manley voxbox or 2) Ampex MX-10 mic pre into a distressor into DP. The vocals were recorded in the same room as everything else - both Pete and I wearing headphones. I tried to get him to stay close to the mic and sing quietly to get an intimate "warm" sound. I had him stand in a corner area and sing "into" the room. A good mic, a good pre, a good song, and a good singer, and you'll prolly get a good vocal.

thispleasesme - berklee? really? why?
 
As part of the regular crew that hangs out here, thanks for dropping in Walt. You honor us with your presence.

So is the Manley Voxbox your weapon of choice on preamps? Are there any others that you tend to turn to on a regular basis?
 
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Very cool...those voxboxes look nice.

Kind of on a different topic...how different was the process on DIF? There seem to be less effects and samples on that record than there are on MFTMA. Or maybe they're just well hidden ;)

Whatever else you want to share would be great.

Thanks again for sharing with us. It's really cool that you're so open to talking about this stuff. I really appreciate it.

P.S. Are you going to do another album with Pete? Ok, you don't have to tell me that, but I hope you guys do work together again.
 
R. Walt Vincent said:
thispleasesme - berklee? really? why?

Seems to be one of the top programs around as far as full-on 4 year schools goes. That, and I love Boston. Not as much as NYC, but I haven't found a good school there for recording arts, yet.

I presume you're not a fan of the Berklee program? Why not?
 
NYU has a really cool looking program. It's the Clive Davis School of Music or something. Go to the NYU website and check it out. Full four year program. I wish it would have been around 3 years ago.
 
pre's n things

Ah yes, the Voxbox...
It's definitely one of my weapons of choice. For a while, it was the only weapon. Although I have a few other options now, the voxbox is still in daily operation - great for things (like a classic vocal sound) that I want to get warm, fat, round, full and beautiful - the compressor before the mic pre is genius - allows you to keep the signal in the sweet spot of the pre. Good for vox, bass - just about any melodic instrument - the de-esser is pretty genius too...

Last year I once again traded my savings for Manley gear - this time a 16X2 (8 mic/8line) - and once again, I love every penny of it. The point is, I really dig the pre's in the mixer, so I am using those a lot these days. Extremely natural - like I don't "hear" the pre at all - just the mic. (Not to mention the sweet tube 2 buss has done for my mixes, but that's another rant).

My other secret weapon mic pres are my two Telefunken V672A solid state versions of the tube classics boxed and racked by Steven Marquette of Marquette Audio Labs. They're great - really gutsy and thick but with really smooth highs. After using primarily tube pres for a long time, I am really getting into the tightness of good solid state pres - and finally having a variety of flavors to choose from.

Re: DIF - I think the main difference in how we approached that record was that we were consciously trying to make a "record". I think we tried to do things more "properly" and follow the "recording process". When we were working on mftma, most of the time we were goofing around with ideas, and really making music for ourselves, not really thinking about what "everybody's gonna think". There was no everybody then, just us - we did what we felt and used whatever gear we had.

When making DIF, we already knew people would be listening, so I think I simply tried too hard to make it "kick-ass" - mftma was a couple guys hanging out having fun and dorking around with gear in a garage. DIF was a "major label album project" made by "artists and production professionals" in "recording studios". So yeah, technique varied here and there, but to me the major difference was the mindset and the approach. Innocence lost - yeah, an old story, but an important lesson. What I hear in mftma is not gear, but how much fun we were having making music - what I hear in DIF is trying to "make sure it sounds cool". What differences do you guys hear?

What did I learn? Good records are what happen when you're busy having fun recording music.

I will attempt to curb the abuse of the "quotes".

and finally-
I've got nothing against Berkelee per se, I just wonder how much real life application a degree in recording arts really has. If you're a shredder, and wanna have the fastest four octave harmonic minor riffs in town, it's probably a good place to study music - you also learn many other interesting things in school, and there are often many cute girls. The art of recording is the art of using your own two ears, understanding what they're telling you, and trusting them. That's an understanding that comes through experience - it doesn't just happen once you've learned enough facts.

From books you can learn that due to diaphragm size, polar pattern, proximity effect, and distance from sound source, a certain mic will accentuate perceived amplitude of the source frequencies below 300 hertz.

From experience you can learn, "that mic sounds like shit on my acoustic, but it sounds good on the bass cab."

cheers.
 
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