Question about various home recording programs

[noisedude]

Cloneboy knows nothing. He has swung his cyber-dick around here many times, before flumping off when we figured out that he couldn't mix his way out of a packet of just-add-water batter.

He's a good-for-nothing snob with a chip on his shoulder. At least most clueless nobodies such as myself admit they are that much!!!!

 

[Massive Master]

That was my point - I also have "borrowed" (call it "non-Kosher") progs with no demos or very limited use to verify its usability. Preferably, I'll just go to a studio that uses the software I'm looking at and experiment with it under "real world" conditions. All the time, I'd have every intention of getting my own license. With some companies that offer a 30-day money-back (like with most hardware) I'd just buy it and return it if it didn't meet my expectations.

That being said, it's been a VERY long time since any of that has happened - I've gotten much more picky, and if a software company doesn't want to supply me with a working demo, then they don't want my business. I'm certainly not the type to actively seek out those "crack discs" that have become so popular.

To put it another way, I look at software the same way I look at gear. I'm not going to drop $5500 on a compressor if I can't either try out a demo or return it.

 

[Quantagee]

That was my point - I also have "borrowed" (call it "non-Kosher") progs with no demos or very limited use to verify its usability. Preferably, I'll just go to a studio that uses the software I'm looking at and experiment with it under "real world" conditions. All the time, I'd have every intention of getting my own license. With some companies that offer a 30-day money-back (like with most hardware) I'd just buy it and return it if it didn't meet my expectations.

That being said, it's been a VERY long time since any of that has happened - I've gotten much more picky, and if a software company doesn't want to supply me with a working demo, then they don't want my business. I'm certainly not the type to actively seek out those "crack discs" that have become so popular.

To put it another way, I look at software the same way I look at gear. I'm not going to drop $5500 on a compressor if I can't either try out a demo or return it.

Oh. Sorry. (to me, non-kosher means cracked). Thanks for clearing it up. Good post BTW

 

[homerecorder1]

Cloneboy's Cracked Software List 2005

Waves Plugins seem to freely float around...
and they are FREAKING GREAT!
I know people, honest people, who buy the Waves stuff and use the cracked ones because they run much more smootly without the iLok bullshit.

 

[StAbZ]

massive, are you saying that people who don't have thousands of pounds and therefore can't buy the software should not be allowed it? what if this person is extremely talented and this program is going to help them unlock their potential and become successful in life. i'm sure once the person has made some money through this and the program is upgraded, they will probably buy an official version, but to stop somebody doing what they love because the haven't paid for a program which in the case of programs such as cubase, logic or sibelius are EXTREMELY overpriced would show that you care more about money than people's talent.
you may argue back that the people who make these programs want the money to be rewarded for their efforts, but the programs are so overpriced that if only of a quarter of the copies were legal, they'd probably make as much money as they should do. it's the same with CDs, for professional artists a studio, printing, distribution and promotion will probably only cost them about a 10th of what they will make with the record.
so until industries stop ripping consumers off, i support cracked proffessional programs

 

[jonnyc]

I don't think someone who can't afford a program should still it. I mean shit I can't afford a ferrari but I'm sure as shit not gonna steal one, even if I was told I'd get away with it. There are plenty of cheap programs to learn on quantagee or however your sn is spelled. I don't think 99 bucks is much for cubase se, you get a really good entry level software for under a hundred bucks, I've spent 5 times that on cables. If you wanna know what it really comes down to, its being fair. It isn't fair that I have to pay because some people steal, it isn't fair that some noob with no experience can come on here get all the advice he needs and never really needs to do any work, not to mention they didn't even pay for what they are using. I'm all for downloading demo's, I firmly believe that you should demo your software before you use it considering you can't return it if it sucks. There are times you may download something that isn't really legit(i have) but I use it determine if I like it then buy it, and some things just aren't available for demo so you may have to do it the non-legit way sometimes. Just be honest and delete it after you determine whether it suits you. Another good reason to do things legit is the fact if you register what you buy you have access to tech support. I have a buddy that has a stolen 001 and I laugh my ass off everytime he has a problem because he has no manual, and no idea of what he's supposed to do, and the best thing is he can't call and ask. In fact he needs a new power supply and he's been waiting for 4 months for his "guy" to get him one so now his studio is totally useless.

 

[David Katauskas]

massive, are you saying that people who don't have thousands of pounds and therefore can't buy the software should not be allowed it? what if this person is extremely talented and this program is going to help them unlock their potential and become successful in life. i'm sure once the person has made some money through this and the program is upgraded, they will probably buy an official version, but to stop somebody doing what they love because the haven't paid for a program which in the case of programs such as cubase, logic or sibelius are EXTREMELY overpriced would show that you care more about money than people's talent.
you may argue back that the people who make these programs want the money to be rewarded for their efforts, but the programs are so overpriced that if only of a quarter of the copies were legal, they'd probably make as much money as they should do. it's the same with CDs, for professional artists a studio, printing, distribution and promotion will probably only cost them about a 10th of what they will make with the record.
so until industries stop ripping consumers off, i support cracked proffessional programs

I can't speak for 'massive', but I didn't read into it what you did. However, I'm not sure if you are pulling our leg with your absurd response. If not, then I just don't understand the advocating of theft...but I'm sure you won't sway my opinion.

An example of your mentality to demonstrate the absurdity:
"Gee honey...that Lexus is way too overpriced...what do you say we come back tonight and steal it."

I truly believe that you have no concept as to what is involved in writing software. Um....It's expensive!

 

[scrubs]

massive, are you saying that people who don't have thousands of pounds and therefore can't buy the software should not be allowed it? what if this person is extremely talented and this program is going to help them unlock their potential and become successful in life.

There are plenty of affordable programs out there that function very well. Any "extremely talented" person should be able to make good recordings on them. Talent will tend to shine through limitations of recording. Software is rarely the limiting factor on any recording (especially a home recording), anyway.

By your logic, these same people should have a right to steal expensive mics, preamps, etc. for their use, since those things might also help them "unlock their potential." Bullshit. Kristal is FREE. Audacity is FREE. Cubase, N-Track, & others all have perfectly usable software for under $100.

 

[the edzell]

By your logic, these same people should have a right to steal expensive mics, preamps, etc. for their use, since those things might also help them "unlock their potential." Bullshit. Kristal is FREE. Audacity is FREE. Cubase, N-Track, & others all have perfectly usable software for under $100.

Which is what most people spend on beer in a month. Funny how musicans have no problem scrimping, saving, sacrificing and then paying top dollar for a Fender or Taylor but will complain about the price of software. Or will pay for more money for a celebrity endorsed product when the orignal is just as good if not better (The EVH phaser comes to mind)

Fowweezer - if you serious about getting into home recording your going to have to do better than your computer's soundcard. You should be able to find some good soundcard / software bundles for a decent price.

 

[StAbZ]

I can't speak for 'massive', but I didn't read into it what you did. However, I'm not sure if you are pulling our leg with your absurd response. If not, then I just don't understand the advocating of theft...but I'm sure you won't sway my opinion.

An example of your mentality to demonstrate the absurdity:
"Gee honey...that Lexus is way too overpriced...what do you say we come back tonight and steal it."

I truly believe that you have no concept as to what is involved in writing software. Um....It's expensive!

how is stealing a lexus going to help people unlock their talent?

also... picking on things like notation programs... a lot of children would fail their music coursework if they didn't have access to them. sure, schools and colleges might have the software, but how are these people going to get the extra work done at home to make that higher grade? children can't afford sibelius or finale, even the student edition of sibelius is £100 and it has so many important features missing it is ridiculous. I was helping out at a college for a few weeks in their music tech dept. and the main teacher actually asked me if i would copy a cracked version of cubase SX 2 for a student who wanted to make their coursework the best it could be at home... now find an alternative way for the children to do this...

 

[Massive Master]

I think I have the potential to be a good astronaut.

So, if you'll all excuse me, evidently I have a right to steal a space shuttle (as it's far too expensive for me to purchase myself).

Do you have ANY idea how ridiculous your argument is?

 

[StAbZ]

once you give me an answer as to why some children should be disadvantaged doing their work at school or college just because they can't fork out enuff money for overpriced programs, my argument is not ridiculous.

 

[scrubs]

once you give me an answer as to why some children should be disadvantaged doing their work at school or college just because they can't fork out enuff money for overpriced programs, my argument is not ridiculous.

So, should they steal their textbooks, too? A college education costs money. Degrees in the arts are particularly expensive due to the cost of materials. Tough shit. Get a job and/or take out more loans. The Academic version of Cubase SX is very competitively priced (under $400 new). I've paid that much for textbooks for a single class. The Academic version of Cubase SE is $70. That's peanuts and SE will do about 90% of what SX will. Your argument does not hold water.

 

[lpdeluxe]

=sigh=

Yet more rationalizations for being a thief...


...not coming from the altruistic Robin Hoods of the world, you understand, but from the fuckwits who think that if they get away with it, it's all right.


C'mon: you can do better than that!

 

[StAbZ]

So, should they steal their textbooks, too? A college education costs money. Degrees in the arts are particularly expensive due to the cost of materials. Tough shit. Get a job and/or take out more loans. The Academic version of Cubase SX is very competitively priced (under $400 new). I've paid that much for textbooks for a single class. The Academic version of Cubase SE is $70. That's peanuts and SE will do about 90% of what SX will. Your argument does not hold water.

i was talking UK college and school, so people under 18.... who can't take out loans and DO NOT have to buy their own text books. sibelius would cost 2 or 3 months pay for an average teenager here.....

 

[scrubs]

i was talking UK college and school, so people under 18.... who can't take out loans and DO NOT have to buy their own text books. sibelius would cost 2 or 3 months pay for an average teenager here.....

Well, I guess that stealing is just fine in the UK, then.

Seriously, the academic version of Sibelius 3 is $229 US. I don't know what it costs there, but it is still irrelevant. If that is the requirement for the course, then you can choose to buy it or not take the course. Simple as that.

 

[Massive Master]

I know! Let's just even the playing field for everyone! To each according to his needs, from each according to their ability!

It worked great in all the Communist regimes!

Oh, wait... No it didn't...

 

[joemintz]

MP3 Conversion

Etree.org puts out a great, free MP3 conversion program called CDEX. It does a nice job. Goodbye.

 

[wesley tanner]

I know! Let's just even the playing field for everyone! To each according to his needs, from each according to their ability!

It worked great in all the Communist regimes!

Oh, wait... No it didn't...

soviet union's capalist reform has driven them from the second world back to the third world.

the great concern was that the soviet union(stalinism) was presenting itself as a model for modernization within a single generation.

I'd say that i'm sorry for hijacking, but this arguement is fucking retarded. DON'T STEAL! There, I settled it! whadda ya know!

 

[gordone]

hmmmm, I don't even know where to begin...How about the student goes to the library where they have the software? Yeah, they may have to stay late at school, or miss the basketball game (or homecoming dance), but that's what it takes to succeed. When I was in college, not everyone had a PC (back in the 90s), or if they did, they didn't have internet access. So what did we do? We went to the library, or a Computer lab to get our work done.

I work in Software, so I know why software is expensive. I'll give you a hint - It has NOTHING to do with the cost of the CD-ROM/Box/Manual.

once you give me an answer as to why some children should be disadvantaged doing their work at school or college just because they can't fork out enuff money for overpriced programs, my argument is not ridiculous.