question about fender Pro Junior...

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hey Steve,

tanx..

but according to Eric, i may not want it to overdrive anymore lolol
:D

i cant have my signal turning into crap, i just cant, its all there...i would like to know what a true tube overdrive can do for me - bypassing the distortion, etc, but if not, fine...as long as my signal is intact and i can use it in terms of volume, gig wise..

pro junior might not work there, what a shame :/

anyway, tanx!
 
diogo said:
clean..oohh! ok, now i get what you were saying..when i read clean, i thought u were refering to "clean sound"...as in, no distortion...ence my stupid sentence: "so the amp cant play clean if the tubes are hot?" lol
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I am not sure what you mean and what part you are refering to of my statements, but when I say "clean", I mean NO distortion...or very, very little...at which point it is more of a slight overdrive, or more properly phrase, a light "compression".
 
diogo said:
hey Steve,

tanx..

but according to Eric, i may not want it to overdrive anymore lolol
:D

i cant have my signal turning into crap, i just cant, its all there...i would like to know what a true tube overdrive can do for me - bypassing the distortion, etc, but if not, fine...as long as my signal is intact and i can use it in terms of volume, gig wise..

pro junior might not work there, what a shame :/

anyway, tanx!
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No, no, no....

A tube overdrive pedal would do what your Preamp or Distortion knob on the amp would do. So long as you have that, you really don't need a tube OD pedal. That would be for a single channel clean sounding amp where you need distortion...like the ProJunior, except at the gig volume, it won't do you a whole lot of good.
 
I actually have an idea for you.

Since the HotRod amp has plenty of volume and stays clean for your pedals, you keep that. If it ain't broke don't fix it right? ;) plus it your brothers too...

Then, since you were, as I understand, thinking of buying the ProJunior on top of the HotRod, you go ahead and get that for a gigging amp that you use with the HotRod.

Then you get an A/B/Y pedal and use both of them. The HotRod for clean and your pedals, and then Y in the ProJunior for that PowerTube overdriven power that sounds like no other.

It will woprk beautifully, I promise. I use to do that with my ProJunior and my SuperReverb. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
hey Eric,

again tanx for your great help and knowledge...and patience :D

the clean bit is cleared now, tanx! i understand.

the hotrod is a dead end Eric, really :/
ill be moving out of my house and get married and all that, and the amp will, undoubtfully stay with my brother...its not a long term solution..i will have to get another, but the pro junior is not turning out like i expected....i wanted to stay with fender cause i got used to it, and i frankly love it,it does everything i want it to do...my whole thing with the overdrive is more of curiosity than anything else, i wanted to try an amp's distortion and see what it can do for me..but if i cant do it, im fine, i get everything i need from it without having it naturally overdriving. but if the pro junior will overdrive at 3 or close to that, even if i mic it live, it wont have enough presence right? especially in a band context....

ok i guess im looking for something in between...your super reverb gets me watering from my mouth (lol) but i have to keep my feet on the ground here...did u pay 1500 bucks for it? thats what i have to pay if i ever want one :/ is it the 65 reissue?
what do u think of something in between the pro junior and the hotrod? i know you're gonna say: "when u gig, borrow the hotrod from your brother" ;) but i cant, im gonna live far..faaaar...you know..no can do...
i know i cant get something in between when it comes to the series of amps im used to...next to the pro junior, the only thing there is the blues junior, and its not that big of a step up from a pro junior, just different...then we got the hotrod...but what do u think of the other series? i dont even wanna say this but...err..solid state fender? lol :rolleyes:
no no..i didnt say that..scratch it...tubes...in between but it has to be tube..

i really dunno what can deliver what i need..
i guess i can have the pro junior cause itll overdrive too fast on a live context...the hotrod is not an option cause it will stay home...

any thoughts...


tanx!
 
Eric,

tell me what u think of this...i must admit that, not breaking the bank would also be very nice..

http://www.voxamps.co.uk/products/vr_range/vr1530.htm

the 30 wtts one i can get for 240 bucks...
from what i gatter this has a tube, but the main circuit is not tube, its solid state..but im sure u can see through the seller's bullshit a lot better than i can...

tanx in advance!
 
No, I didn't pay $1500. But I don't even own it any more. I sold it. I might a Deluxe Reverb or another Super at some point becuase I do regret selling it a bit.



How much money are you able to spend on an amp?
 
diogo said:
Eric,

tell me what u think of this...i must admit that, not breaking the bank would also be very nice..

http://www.voxamps.co.uk/products/vr_range/vr1530.htm

the 30 wtts one i can get for 240 bucks...
from what i gatter this has a tube, but the main circuit is not tube, its solid state..but im sure u can see through the seller's bullshit a lot better than i can...

tanx in advance!
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Well, 30 solid state watts isn't going to be very loud in a band context. You will probably be left a bit short handed at some point.

Believe me, since you never owned a solidstate, the wattage/volume is not the same when compaing them to tube.
 
kkm1,

tanx for the sugestion...but i really cant pay more than 450 bucks TOPS for an amp at this point..plus i have to use it live as well...5 watt, no matter how good it is, it would not sufice.

but tanx!
 
Eric,

im sorry u had to sell it..whats that one on your pics?
im using that VS too, recording demos through it at this point. u still usin it?
u like siabs? thats rare...i like them too (assuming u do)...im gonna get the new korg d3200 come november..cant wait really. but for now im settling for the VS and the engineer that came attached to it lol (the guy owns it, and he helps me out a lot).

anyway..
that vox amp (the VR30) has tubes in the preamp section..i thought that would make a sensible difference :/ what a major disapointment...
u absolutely sure this wont make a significant difference?
damn...

the money...i can throw 450 into an amp at this point...thats the exact price of the pro junior here...i know this kind of narrows the options big time, but, its really the best i can do now :/

tanx!
 
diogo said:
Eric,

im sorry u had to sell it..whats that one on your pics?
im using that VS too, recording demos through it at this point. u still usin it?
u like siabs? thats rare...i like them too (assuming u do)...im gonna get the new korg d3200 come november..cant wait really. but for now im settling for the VS and the engineer that came attached to it lol (the guy owns it, and he helps me out a lot).

anyway..
that vox amp (the VR30) has tubes in the preamp section..i thought that would make a sensible difference :/ what a major disapointment...
u absolutely sure this wont make a significant difference?
damn...

the money...i can throw 450 into an amp at this point...thats the exact price of the pro junior here...i know this kind of narrows the options big time, but, its really the best i can do now :/

tanx!
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I actually sold it with my own free will to buy a THD BiValve. :D I don't own a single thing in any of those pictures anymore come to think of it. :cool: Well, aside from the cassette player. I have just been recording to the computer for little ditties. No more 16 track productions. I was spending so much time trying to get good sounds and tones and compositions I forgot how to play my guitar. Seriously. You spend so much time trying to nail a part that you can almost forget how to just let it flow.


But for the amp, a tube in the preamp doesn't make it a tube amp anyway you cut it. I will sound better no doubt than a all solid state amp, but volume wise it won't affect a thing. All of that is in the preamp circuit where the signal is being taken from instrument level to line level...the same level a CD player is at. A power amp or the power section (or the powertubes) is where the output volume is concerned.


Since you need to gig, for a solidstate I would stick to 60-100 watts. For tube, no less than 22-30 if you need a clean sound live, becuase it will be loud, but it will break up into distortion quicker the less watts there are.
 
hey acid,

ive heard of carvin before, nothing but good things...
that really looks like a good amp, but unfortunately it goes for more than 600 bucks here :/
believe it or not..

dang.

tanx!
 
Eric,

you're actually saying you prefer recording into a computer in comparison to a VS that you probably know inside out by now? :eek:

just kidding...i was on the computer route myself, but i prefer the siab exactly cause i dont want to spend time twitching a computer to sound good, plus i can get a killer siab for 1500 bucks, whereas with a computer i would spend twice that just for the puter and some decent outboard gear..

hey, im happy it works for you!

solid state...i know :rolleyes:
what can i do...there isnt a clear solution i guess..looking for a 30wtt all tube gem, despite the brand...seems like mission impossible...
anyway, im gonna keep looking..

many tanx for all the replies!
is been very helpful.

tanx guys.
 
diogo said:
Eric,

you're actually saying you prefer recording into a computer in comparison to a VS that you probably know inside out by now? :eek:

just kidding...i was on the computer route myself, but i prefer the siab exactly cause i dont want to spend time twitching a computer to sound good, plus i can get a killer siab for 1500 bucks, whereas with a computer i would spend twice that just for the puter and some decent outboard gear..

hey, im happy it works for you!

solid state...i know :rolleyes:
what can i do...there isnt a clear solution i guess..looking for a 30wtt all tube gem, despite the brand...seems like mission impossible...
anyway, im gonna keep looking..

many tanx for all the replies!
is been very helpful.

tanx guys.
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I would think since you are in the UK I take it, that you could get a Marshall JCM900 combo for a very good deal if you went used. Maybe not, but over here they can be had in near mint condition for $500 easily. If it has some scuffing on the toltex, I would think your $450 limit would be easy to stay within.

But for the computer recording, no, I don't prefer it. I liked having things right there with real faders. But with this I just track ruff tracks. No fading or efx. Just something to jam to or send to others for learning the scale and riff before getting together. I really lost all interest in the act of recording 'compositions'. If I did I would go to a studio and let someone else deal with all the fucking BS knob turning. I would certainly use what I know to get what I want, but all the computer learning I am just skipping. If I stumble onto something then thats cool, but I really have ZERO interest in learning the programs I DL'd. :D :eek: Oops, did I say DL'd? I mean, purchased...

I just need a small mic stand that is only like a foot tall so I can get a good mic position and leave it and never touch it again. Then I will be set. If you haven't noticed already, I stopped giving a fuck and things seem to work out much better.

My signal chain really sin't gonna get more simple that it is. SM57 into a mixer and into a SoundBlaster. Beautiful isn't it? It sould be, because for a ruff demo/scratch track, it sounds fantastic. Its 24 bit so it still have depth. its not like its a $600 A/D converter, but who really cares. If you are a musician I don't think there is time to think about that shit. Its not like I have a fantastic room to get a million dollar sound to go into that A/D converter, and to be honest, I would bet everything I own that even in a million dollar studio, 19/20 engineers that have platinum records to their name could never tell the difference until one didn't keep time properly with a MIDI click track. But at that point its a fucking farce becuase there is a million dollar studio and megastar engineer, and I (we) are sitting in a living room or bedroom recording this shit so there isn't even a comparison.

Anyways I just got off work so there ya go.
 
Eric,

nope not uk, but i sometimes get stuff from there...
im from portugal.
i was looking into the marshall..but thats a stack man lol waaayyy too big...
thing about uk ebay, is that they didnt get the Euro currency, so everything just skyrockets in terms of prices...its like (no shit) rat 2 pedal (roughly 120 bucks) - shipping costs for it (200 bucks)...

so u see...
and its not necessary you know..small retailers will give u 20 bucks of shipping costs, just normal...but big store have one big fucking attitude towards everything i guess...economic wise they hate the european union, its a divised country on that matter, i have several english friends and its a never ending struggle..most of them are pro UE, but some just dont seem to be able to move on...their godamn identity blah blah...making me not being able to get my friggin stomp boxes. lol

your aproach makes sense Eric..it really does...god knows i would love to just focus on music and get done with it...but i also kind of "fell in love" with the recording/technical side of things, plus i rarely trust anyone and want my stuff to be perfect (even if its crap, its my crap, and i did it all). i think it makes sense, very valuable choice (yours is), but...i dont think u really need a great sounding room, etc, etc to make records...the guy im working with (owns a VS), he has the coolest band ever, kind of one of the many branches of our folk music (its called fado), and he gives it an alternative flavour blah blah...on the force of his demo alone (entirely done on the VS) he got contacted by blue note, sony and many indies. the stuff he does on the VS (an old one like yours, not even produced anymore) has commercial quality and most indies are offering to master the demo and just go with it.
his room faces a buys street, he's got nothing but a 57 and lots of talent.

the way i see it, its gonna take time knowing the insides of a siab (for instance, cause thats what im going with), but once u do...no looking back, totally focus on the songs...i think im willing to take that time and not depend on anyone else...the lower model from the siab im getting is being used to produce commercial records, so i can only imagine what i can do with the upper one. plus i dont trust local engineers (there's like 3 in the whole country), none of them ever worked on the music i do, and they probly never will...plus im very self conscious in studios...hell, fuck studios for all i care...fuck these (i mean)...portugal has one fucked up studio scene...unexistant. the ones that actually exist, are nothing but mainstream workhouses.

anyway, ive thought of your aproach myself, numerous times..i have a laptop, hell just get a friggin maudio firewire thingy or similar and go! but, as i said, i really want to do this right ;) and how would i justify nice mics (cause i really want them), with a firewire interface..

im not even playing live that often so...i just want to produce my stuff and have it sound the way i want...but in the right way. crap or not, its beyond my concern.

but i love your aproach..i really do, believe me! i wish i was in a country where i could actually afford to do that in terms of studio choices, and comprehensive/patient engineers.

amps..
i found some gems :D

check this out..
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=257&CollectionID=13

and also the peavy classic 20...


this epi sure looks good.


ps. software "purchase"...err...yep..thats my kind of purchase :D
i have pro tools and cool edit pro 2.1

major "purchases"..
 
Eric,

u got me thinking.
u know what, fuck the siab. im getting a firewire thingy and focus on music.

tanx man..

i feel releaved!!!!

:D

i really do. my own rant opened my eyes..its over..fuck the gimmicks, im a musician!

tanx man. i really mean it.. tanx!
 
diogo said:
i was looking into the marshall..but thats a stack man
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No, I said combo. They do have combos out there. 50 watters too. Plenty loud for gigs and they will stay good and clean for most of what you would need, plus they have the second channel for disortion.
 
Just a suggestion

The Gibson GA 5 Les Paul Junior is a 5 watt, single-ended class A amp that breaks up nicely at around 10 o clock, even with a Telecaster. It's plenty loud, but not melt-the-windows loud like an HRD. More expensive than a Pro jr., but the thing is hand-wired, comes with JJ tubes, and isn't made in Mexico. The speaker sounds great. By the time you replace the tubes and the speaker on the Pro Jr., you'll be in the same price ballpark anyway. I sold my unusable HRD and bought this (an even trade, money-wise), and have rediscovered the joys of playing through an amplifier again. The thing LOVES pedals (Holy Grail reverb and Visual Sound Rt 66 comp/dist), but sounds remarkable all by its naked ol' self. Food for thought.
 
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