Question about Audio Doubling

[Cyber Cowboy]

A I am on a quest for the big answer .
Does anyone know how to audio double ( Artificially ) without that flanging or combing effect , I have tried everything and everyway I can find but it always sounds a little weird , robotic or sort of like a jet sound ??
Thanks for any input like maybe the best way in your opinion .

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[Farview]

The simple answer is: You can't. A chorus effect can work, or a delay that is longer than 30ms. But both of those will have comb filtering effects as part of their sound.

It's always best to just perform the part again.

 

[mixsit]

'Jet sound implies modulation- and for that specific effect.
Just about any simple delay doubling is going to sound static- not like if it were actually doubled.
But in any case -including actual doubling, you don't need them equal. Try not having the 2nd one nearly as loud as the primary. That makes all these 'downsides not so icky.

 

[witzendoz]

The best way to double is to play or sing the part twice, true audio doubling.

All other way will sound like a flange effect to some degree. When you copy a part, you could try delaying the second track by an amount of milli seconds to create the doubling effect, however don't forget to check mono compatibility as at some point the 2 parts could be out of phase.

Alan.

 

[Adam Greene]

Got the Waves ADT plugin cheap a few weeks ago, and it does a pretty good job if you don't over do it. I use it as an effect to another channel so I can blend with the original. Even though the plug has that feature, seems to work and sound better to me. Not as good as actual double tracking but you can get very close in my opinion. Good for quick demos.

 

[Cyber Cowboy]

The simple answer is: You can't. A chorus effect can work, or a delay that is longer than 30ms. But both of those will have comb filtering effects as part of their sound.

It's always best to just perform the part again.

That is what I thought , it is best to simply double for real
Thanks for the good advice , I can double reasonably close except for some lead guitar that is why I need to do artificially , for the guitar lead .

 

[Cyber Cowboy]

Got the Waves ADT plugin cheap a few weeks ago, and it does a pretty good job if you don't over do it. I use it as an effect to another channel so I can blend with the original. Even though the plug has that feature, seems to work and sound better to me. Not as good as actual double tracking but you can get very close in my opinion. Good for quick demos.

Waves ADT , thanks I will have to check on that .

 

[Cyber Cowboy]

'Jet sound implies modulation- and for that specific effect.
Just about any simple delay doubling is going to sound static- not like if it were actually doubled.
But in any case -including actual doubling, you don't need them equal. Try not having the 2nd one nearly as loud as the primary. That makes all these 'downsides not so icky.

Super great idea!! , simply lower the effect.

 

[Cyber Cowboy]

The best way to double is to play or sing the part twice, true audio doubling.

All other way will sound like a flange effect to some degree. When you copy a part, you could try delaying the second track by an amount of milli seconds to create the doubling effect, however don't forget to check mono compatibility as at some point the 2 parts could be out of phase.

Alan.

Check for mono compatibility , another great idea

 

[Farview]

That is what I thought , it is best to simply double for real
Thanks for the good advice , I can double reasonably close except for some lead guitar that is why I need to do artificially , for the guitar lead .

So don't double the lead. Add some delay or reverb to add a sense of space and leave the one lead panned center.

It's not all that common to double leads, at least not as common as rhythms. (Other than harmonies )

 

[miroslav]

Waves ADT , thanks I will have to check on that .

One cowboy to another (no broke back mountain jokes )...the Waves ADT is about the best option for doubling off of a single track.

Otherwise, play/record it again and then you'll get the natural effect that the ADT is trying to emulate.

 

[Cyber Cowboy]

So don't double the lead. Add some delay or reverb to add a sense of space and leave the one lead panned center.

It's not all that common to double leads, at least not as common as rhythms. (Other than harmonies )

Thanks , that is a very good idea being it is nearly impossible for me to double a lead guitar , though I do still wish I could cause I like the effect .

 

[Cyber Cowboy]

One cowboy to another (no broke back mountain jokes )...the Waves ADT is about the best option for doubling off of a single track.

Otherwise, play/record it again and then you'll get the natural effect that the ADT is trying to emulate.

You have a super great point Cowboy , what better emulator than the real thing .
I would think though in theory it ought to be possible .

Hey we got the same initials.

CC