protools le not so "le" anymore

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At this year’s NAMM convention, Digidesign is previewing two new toolkit offerings that can help you dramatically expand your music and post production options. Take advantage of powerful plug-in collections, an increased track count, the Pro Tools MP3 Option, an included upgrade to Pro Tools 7.1 software, and much more!

Music Production Toolkit ($495)
The Digidesign® Music Production Toolkit (available soon) offers a selection of essential tools to easily expand the creative power of your Pro Tools LE™ or Pro Tools M-Powered™ system. The Music Production Toolkit puts a wide range of capabilities for composing, editing, mixing, remixing, or all of the above, all within easy reach.


Extensive plug-in collection

Digidesign Hybrid synthesizer

TL Space™ Native Edition convolution reverb

Smack!™ LE compressor/limiter

SoundReplacer™ drum replacement tool

DINR™ LE intelligent noise reduction tool

Multi-track Beat Detective™ rhythm analysis and correction tool

Up to 48 mono or 48 stereo tracks at up to 96 kHz

Pro Tools MP3 Option

Included upgrade to Pro Tools 7.1 software from any previous version of Pro Tools LE or Pro Tools M-Powered software
 
Yeah I'm stoked...although, it kinda sucks that the plug-in/upgrade cost 3 times the cost of the software.

Oh well.
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OK wtf is going on here. Are you saying that with a 500 dollar upgrade I can get 48 audio tracks? If this is true its one of the most glorious days of my young DAW life.
 
Yup. The upgrade is worth it just for the plug-ins if you didn't have them.

I'm assuming they changed the way voicing and stereo tracks work. In version 6.9 and under, a stereo track took up 2 voices.
 
jonnyc said:
OK wtf is going on here. Are you saying that with a 500 dollar upgrade I can get 48 audio tracks? If this is true its one of the most glorious days of my young DAW life.
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$300 more you can buy Sonar 5 and have unlimited tracks.

AND you get V Vocal! :)

You also get OMF encoding/decoding.

You also get a VST wrapper included, which means you can use PC VSTs! (if you are using mac, you are severely limited on the vst plugins you can use. Of course, if you are a silly Mac user, you can't use Sonar anyway!).

WAY BETTER midi!

You can use ANY soundcard! :)

Full delay compensation EVEN FOR UAD-1 CARDS!!!

64 bit OS capable!

;)
 
Yeah, but...

Yeah but if you go with Sonar anything you record won't sound as good as it would in Pro Tools. Ha ha. Just kidding.

It's funny how some people are caught up in name brands. When it comes to recording the old addage certainly applies: "It's the pilot, not the plane".

Take an experienced engineer and give him Sonar or even a 4 track cassette portastudio and take a newbie and give him Pro Tools. Can you guess which recording will sound better in the end?

Anyway, I don't want to start a war. If you use Pro Tools and like it, more power to you. I use Cakewalk Home Studio as mostly a drum layout and more precise editing tool. My main DAW consists of two Korg D1600s. Love 'em.

My friend has Pro Tools LE. I've tried it and didn't like it. Maybe if I spent more time with it my opinion would change. But to each his own.
 
Use what you like. I work on Pro Tools HD systems, and I like to be able to take my stuff home to edit/do rough mixes. I rarely feel limited with LE or M-Powered.

To each his own.
 
Ford Van said:
$300 more you can buy Sonar 5 and have unlimited tracks.

AND you get V Vocal! :)

You also get OMF encoding/decoding.

You also get a VST wrapper included, which means you can use PC VSTs! (if you are using mac, you are severely limited on the vst plugins you can use. Of course, if you are a silly Mac user, you can't use Sonar anyway!).

WAY BETTER midi!

You can use ANY soundcard! :)

Full delay compensation EVEN FOR UAD-1 CARDS!!!

64 bit OS capable!

;)
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Actually I'm very interested in Sonar 5 at the moment. I still love pro tools and have several grand dumped into hardware/software and plugins however for some of the harmonizing rock bands I get something like Sonar would be great, plus I get bored and like to try new things. BTW I started as a Cubase user, so I kinda of knew the limitations that were in store with PTLE before I ever bought it. Have you ever used Cubase and what are your feelings of it vs. sonar.
 
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Ha ha ha ha
 
I'm pretty pissed that I have to buy this package to get the track count upgrade. WTF? I don't want the plugins, in fact I already have a lot of them. What this boils down to is I have to pay digi $500 buck to uncripple my software. Don't even get me started about the "upgrade plus" bullshit, yeah v7 and two plugins for $100 bucks seemed like a good deal a month ago, but now if I want the extra track count, I have to get a package that includes the two plugs and v7(.1) so I've pretty much taken $100 bucks and wiped my ass with it. Fuck Digi, unless they offer JUST the track count update for a small upgrade price they aren't getting another penny from me. AND WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T THEY GIVING US AUTOMATIC DELAY COMPENSATION YET!?!?!?


Oh yeah, that's up their sleeves for next year's NAMM, where they can exhort more money out of their loyal customers with some other complex scam. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
Yeah, the $500 pricetag, while justifiable (I guess) when you consider the price of the included plug-ins, is pretty ridiculous. What if I don't want or need the plug-ins? What about all the people who already paid for 2 of the included plug-ins when they made the upgrade to 7? They get to pay for them a second time if they'd like their software un-crippled. Major lame move there.

Here's hoping for a $100-$200 upgrade package that includes 7.1, the 48 track count, multi-track-enabled Beat Detective (!!!!), and the MP3 encoding (I guess, doesn't matter to me) ... and ADC for chrissakes.

Fat chance though. :/
 
something cool said:
Yeah, the $500 pricetag, while justifiable (I guess) when you consider the price of the included plug-ins, is pretty ridiculous.
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Consider this though, we're talking software here. Inherently, there is virtually no piecewise cost, where as opposed to hardware, where each piece of equipment has a bill of materials cost, an assembly cost, packaging, shipping, inventory, etc, etc. Just because Digidesign says they're worth $500, doesn't mean that price is based on anything concrete. It doesn't really matter to digidesign whether they make their R&D costs back by selling a million copies at $1 or one copy at $1,000,000. Look at it this way, how many people would have bought that plugin at $500? Certainly not me, I don't want or need it. I DO want and maybe need more tracks. Digi knows this, so instead of selling me exactly what I want for a reasonable cost, they package all this software with it and inflate the price. Sure, it looks like a great deal on paper, five $500 dollar plugs plus more tracks for $500, but if you really think about it, Digidesign is now getting $500 dollars from me instead of say $100 for just the track count, and severe discount on the plugins doesn't cost them anything because I was never going to buy any of them at full price anyway. It's a great business move in a lot of ways, but if you're get down to the details, they're really just leeching the maximum amount of money out of people for something they KNOW they need.
 
reshp1 said:
Consider this though, we're talking software here. Inherently, there is virtually no piecewise cost, where as opposed to hardware, where each piece of equipment has a bill of materials cost, an assembly cost, packaging, shipping, inventory, etc, etc. [...] but if you're get down to the details, they're really just leeching the maximum amount of money out of people for something they KNOW they need.
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Agreed. I think the way they're going about this is pretty lame and rather insulting, really.

That said, if you ARE in the market for some of these plug-ins (I definitely wouldn't mind having the included convolution 'verb and Sound Replacer), it's a pretty sweet deal. But really, as you've said, they're trying to coerce us into paying for all this extra stuff when all we REALLY want is some of their restrictions lifted.

It is the price you pay for dealing with Digidesign though, sad as the reality of it is. They will always be -- intentionally -- a step or two behind the other big names in host-based recording software. After all, if LE gets too capable and fancy, who's gonna need an HD rig? While the big guys running 70 tracks and 100+ plug-ins in a session will still need their HD3 rigs, the smaller studio or band recording their own stuff will be able to skip the TDM start-up cost altogether and stick with a 002 or hell even an MBox ... Especially considering how powerful the home computer is becoming. Heck, I can run all 32 tracks with over 50 plug-ins pretty comfortably on my PowerMac Dual 2.3 G5 with an MBox (1) running PTLE 6.9.2.

Is it a good thing their business model is set up this way? No, it pretty much sucks. But, that's the reality of the situation and it doesn't look like it'll be changing anytime soon. Digi throws their LE users scraps every now and then (e.g. the voice limit in LE was 24 until fairly recently), but we've never been and probably will never be a real priority for them. Whether that will come back to bite them in the ass sooner or later remains to be seen. I for one, though, just with they would be a little less arrogant when they DO give us something to be excited about. :mad:
 
Carter said:
Sucked in by the "Industry Standard" :rolleyes: ;) :D
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Yes, the ProTools standard is to screw it's loyal users out of being able to expand their system without first giving digidesign even MORE money. ;)

I kind of like being "non-standard" and having options for my hardware, and working in an application that succeeds in being compatible with other hot software out there!

And to think I didn't even have to pay extra for OMF so I can import OMF bundles from other DAWS!

And when a ProTools user wants my time stamped files, I simply export to OMF (because I have it because it came as part of my application) and they can import it into their DAW. Nifty.

Yeah, non-standard is pretty nice indeed! And I have probably made a lot more money with my non-industry standard software/hardware than a LOT of ProTools users have over the years!

Yeah, life is rough. ;)
 
It is too bad that ProTools users are sort of stuck with SoundReplacer. Talk about a dog of an application.
 
Ford Van said:
It is too bad that ProTools users are sort of stuck with SoundReplacer. Talk about a dog of an application.
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?????? What the hell do you mean stuck with soundreplacer? I use drumagog, isn't that the same thing?
 
Yeah i ditched Pro tools last year.

I'm free free i tell ya!!!!!! :D
 
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