Propellerheads Record

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I downloaded the beta demo of this program from the makers of Reason and Re-Wire. I don't know if anyone else has, but in my opinion, it's basically the same tools used in Reason (effects mainly) only used in recording audio tracks.

So if you're familiar with Reason, this shouldn't have too hard of a learning curve (from what I've experimented with so far). I will say the demo song included in with it sucks, not because I don't particularly like it, but because it's showing me that with about 50 tracks of a tracked out beat and vocals, it's showing just how limited Record is (at least in beta version). It couldn't even play it without crashing (and I have a fairly decent PC for the studio). Yet when I muted a lot of tracks, it would play almost average.

So right now I'm sitting here thinking that while integration with Reason is good and I'm familiar with it already, if it can't handle that many tracks, I'm seeing a problem from the start (because I think I've used about 60 tracks on Cubase with ease and no latency issues ever).

I'll have to attempt to record a demo song on it and give a second review.
 
ok...

I did extensive testing and studying on this program becaus i am an avid reason user and this is what my conclusion was.

1. Its fine if your just starting out recording and are pushing the big red button for the first time ever lol

2. It seems that alot was still left out that could have been intergrated but was left to the native computers of the operater. Im sorry but im a sound guy and a great vocal sound is more of a want than just being able to max out my track count (sorry people but bouncing a track down is still used and a good way to help any huge over bearing project)

3. Its model of the SSL 9000 console though looks nice isnt convincing enough to me to use that instead of pro tools SSL plugins which i will stand by closer than i would the "record" version. Not becaus record sounds bad but because pro tools sounds better period.

4. And like any DAW its not about whats in the box but what you can do outside of it to. And it pains me to say this but unless third party developers are gonna make special record refill packs with just effects plugins (which i do see eventually) record is at the back of the pack playing catch up to a 3/4 done race.

I am a VERY VERY VERY BIG advocate for reason on here and in my day to day life. (even guilty of giving away a few copies just to prove a point at a few studios :rolleyes: ) But i cant stand behind this new program knowing that my Pro Tools 8 LE is whooping its ass and is doing it while i either rewire reason and track out my production or using reason and finishing off a production in it.

Someone will see this program for what it is and be like hey this rocks im gonna use it exclusively. But propellerheads main selling point is "made with musicians in mind, not engineers". Well i take offence to that because i have spent years studying and reading and talking and going to conferences and making sure that the music i make and perform is great in its own right so that i can have the satisfaction of saying i really did do it all by myself. So whether you want to be an engineer or not the moment you pick up that mouse and press that cute lil red button its welcome to my world. Being even called an engineer isnt like the difference between producing a track and being a beatmaker, you either got it or you dont. And no program no matter how easy the video may make it look will teach you that. But look on the bright side the program is so simple to use that when some of you start wanting to get more complicated with it you will find ways to manipulate the program to do things even the designers couldnt imagine and thats when ill be paying real attention ;)
 
pRecord is kind of enigmatic because of the Reason legacy.

I say enigmatic because in my experience with Reason, people use Reason for electronic music and other styles where there really is no need to record something acoustically.

pRecord is a recording program that will allow all the Reason devices to be seamlessly integrated into the mix.
Without Reason it is only a recording, mixing and mastering app.

But there is a niche for Reason users like me who use Reason for backing tracks, drums, synths
etc and then used some other means to record vocals, guitars and what not.

With pRecord I can now do it all in the box.

Having never touched an SSL mixer I won’t argue about the merits of the pRecord SSL mixer but there are people who have stated that the console in pRecord is as good as the real thing. To an amateur like me it’s heaven on earth because I can record, mix and master all in one app.
And if you haven’t used the SSL it does take some time to learn its secrets.

Lack of VST support will put off a lot of people but here again Reason users know they don’t need VSTs.

pRecord is not intended to be a panacea, like said it’s made with musicians in mind.

But pRecord does need power. I just upgraded to a quad core PC because my 5 year old Prescott P4 made me nervous. It ran pRecord, not the demos, but I felt like I was living on the cusp of digital disaster.

pRecord will utilize quad core PC and the multu core MACs.

I love pRecord and have been using it since July – give it time.
 
I agree

But as a working musician/engineer i need something that is more realistic to my standards of music output and customer satisfaction ya know. i don't mind using rewire to track my music out in Pro Tools any more because if thats what i have to do to get a great quality sound project then thats what i have to do. As a reason user i was the first with the beta demo and was using it and all its upgrades till it came out in september. By then i realised it wasnt what i had hoped for because all my other sound molding options were gone now and let me tell you what that didnt sit so right with me.

Now as a reason user we are very well aware that using just reason is a labor of love because its an all inclusive software but... Were talking about recording now and in this playing field propellerhead need to step there game up. There should have been third party support out the gate during this developement cycle because lets be real there are other programs that are doing it better and are just like it. pRecord is just like pro tools im sorry to say and nothing bout it is simpler or easier than pro tools. Difference here...money point blank period. Sound...great as all propellerhead products and refills sound but on this side of the playing field its step your game up time.

I was looking for pRecord to do something/have something that no other DAW has shown me/given me. It didnt and that made me sad to be quite honest with you because me and all the other reason users have been patiently waiting for just this. Unfortunately i got just this and nothing more (which leads me to think we should be more specific with our wants/needs with these people lol) but im still a loving reason user. Just not a pRecord user :(

But who knows what might happen in a few years...touch screen monitors are out now and imagine touch screen mixers!! Might make pRecord the new Big Boy on the recording block and then itll be pro tools who will be looking up not down ;)
 
I hear ya

I doubt there will be many converts from PT or other platforms, especially people who’ve got lots invested in plugs.

Propellerhead knows better than to reinvent the wheel, they saw a niche and they filled it.

What I’d like to hear is an A/B of something simple using pRecord and you name it, using the same interface into the DAW.
Something simple like Yesterday.
Then ramp up the complexity to see where pRecord starts to fall behind.
I’d do it but all I have is pRecord.
 
well...

i got pro tools 8 LE so we can do it if you want 2 ;)

we just need a singer and record them. i have the SSL Bundle from Waves and you have the built in SSL Console that come with record. This could be fun if we do it right and very informative
 
OOOOH now it's getting interesting!!!!

I'd like to hear that myself.

I agree that no VST support will be one of the main things that may bury Record before it gets a solid foot off the ground.

In my further opinion, I think this is great for people who know Reason like the back of their hand but haven't stepped into actually lacing vocals on those beats (as a starter program with minimal learning curve), but for people who already have something that they use like PT, Cubase, Nuendo, Acid Pro, Logic, the list goes on...it's just another method that probably isn't up to snuff. Maybe with a couple of tweaks and additions it might mature and grow, but for right now it's still experimental.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that Propellerheads did this...but for me, I'm staying with Cubase SX and my GB upon GB of VSTs
 
illsoulprod said:
i got pro tools 8 LE so we can do it if you want 2 ;)

we just need a singer and record them. i have the SSL Bundle from Waves and you have the built in SSL Console that come with record. This could be fun if we do it right and very informative
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A true A/B has to be from the same place; and is why I specifically said “using the same interface into the DAW.”

Me in my basement with an SM57 and you in your studio with a U87 is apples to oranges.

I’m not starting a war or a contest here, just suggesting a method to allow an audio comparison.

What I had in mind was everything being equal, record one session with pRecord and one with whatever.

I’m not an expert at tracking, mixing or mastering; I am a musician who records as a hobby – the exact person pRecord is made for. The best I can do is offer the latest thing I have, all done with pRecord and Reason. If you’re interested I’ll post a clip.
 
Fieva said:
OOOOH now it's getting interesting!!!!

I'd like to hear that myself.

I agree that no VST support will be one of the main things that may bury Record before it gets a solid foot off the ground.

In my further opinion, I think this is great for people who know Reason like the back of their hand but haven't stepped into actually lacing vocals on those beats (as a starter program with minimal learning curve), but for people who already have something that they use like PT, Cubase, Nuendo, Acid Pro, Logic, the list goes on...it's just another method that probably isn't up to snuff. Maybe with a couple of tweaks and additions it might mature and grow, but for right now it's still experimental.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that Propellerheads did this...but for me, I'm staying with Cubase SX and my GB upon GB of VSTs
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Yep - this is the word right now and you got lots of company.
 
lol

i hear ya man
well i would love to hear how you process your record tracks and then let me see what i can do with it. The export features on record can also be used for tracking out.
 
I saw the web write up on this on the propellerhead website. I think it will be some time before this is a good product. Just like the first version of reason... it was terrible... but over time they have made alot of improvements. I love reason and use it with PT8 as well. There's no way i would trade down to that... from PT8. I've actually started using PT more for sequencing and am finding that they have taken alot of the functions from reason and made them available in protools. You can even run rex files direct into protools now...
 
Heh, it was from Propellerheads, so of course I HAD to play with it.

Yeah, looking back Reason (original) was nothing compared to what it is now at version 4 (or even 3). It didn't really jump off until v2 when NN-XT came in.

I figured, ok so it's only 1GB to download just to play with it...eff it I'm game. But once I played with it, all I could think was "this doesn't make me want to switch up my flow I've got goin' with CSX and Reason". However, I could EASILY see the newcomer loving the hell out of it once they get past the learning curve and that might not be a bad starter point just to learn the craft of recording and mixing vocals. But just like anything else, you have your starter tools and then you move up and on until you find something you're comfortable with.

That's why a lot of people are on PT and saying eff anything else (as far as switching up). That's why I'm on that eff switching up on my setup.

But the fact that PT can run rex files makes me wonder how long it'll be before someone makes refills (or the various instruments) run in another program that's more expansive than Reason....things that make ya go hmmmmmm


Fiev
 
thats what im talking about

Im not gonna lie record had me stoked for a minute but then there are so many things iom used to doing at the press of a button in pt8 and thats wen record really let me down caus pt8 was out for a minute and as a beta tester i know i wasnt the only 1 seeing this ya know. but ill stand by reason all day no matter what and as long as the refills stay hot ima keep on being there.
 
illsoulprod said:
i hear ya man
well i would love to hear how you process your record tracks and then let me see what i can do with it. The export features on record can also be used for tracking out.
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http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=804166&songID=7825584

Here’s a link to a short clip I did with the pRecord beta.
I recorded this on my old PC which was resource challenged so the clip is short and simple.

Th Reason backing tracks, drums, keys and the Thor synth.

Vox are thru my PC sound card, an M-Audio 2496

Guitar and bass are DI and into the Reason Line6 amp sims.

There’s no EQ on the tracks. All I did was turning on the default mastering suite on the master buss.

Two things amazed me when I did this.

1. the sound is the best I ever got in my basement
2. the level peaked right at 0db
 
i could mix that beautifully for you man :D
i do like the arrangements for it as well.
Good job fam!
 
Hey fellas,

I have RV3.0 and love Reason.
I am tempted to buy the $150 upgrade to pRecord which also includes RV4.0
I currently use Sonar HS6 and ReWire Reason into it.

Lately Sonar gets used for bands, I'm thinking the upgrade will be great for the few Hip Hop/Electronica projects I'm working with. Seems totally worth having both Sonar and pRecord in the house.

Thanks for all this info.
Scott.
 
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