Pro Tools Certification courses

[bigtoe]

no yeah i know what ya mean there...and look at where that got apple! but my point is more...why are they alienating their market?

this does not seem to be long term investment in their product. i mean eventually i will have to buy a DAW...god forbid...why would i buy one that seems to strong arm their customers?

i never heard back from the dean. i called the board of trustees and got the president's office. hilarious. nice people - btw.

Mike

 

[TuoKaerf]

That says something about the school then.

Where I was certified, we had 3 Pro Tools "labs". 2 of the rooms were fitted each with 12 or so Mac G5's, Pro Tools HD2 Rigs, and a Pro Control (expanded to a D-Command when I took 210M) at every station. The other room was the same, except for a PC based workstation with some Avid and video gear for post work. The entire school had 8 studios all with HD3 systems (SSL, Trident, Yamaha Digital consoles, along with a few rooms with D-Controls), 2 professional studios that classes were also held in, 3 Pro Tools labs, and 3 computer labs (with about 20 computers at each station, all with Pro Tools LE or M-Powered systems, along with Logic and DP on each computer).

It took me about 8 months to finish the Pro Tools training there. Not to mention that the labs are always open, so I can come in 24 hours a day and work on an HD system whenever I felt like it no matter if you are in the class or not.

 

[bigtoe]

That says something about the school then.

it does. i think this one slipped through.

https://infoaccess.tri-c.edu/pls/prodban/BZSKSCHD.PW_ListSchClassSimple

This is the list of the programs offered by the community college of a similar nature. I never thought to look right where was was trying to compare. Only one class costs as much for the amount of time offered. The others are far and away cheaper and more of a value.

I don't look at it as the school, but as the program not really putting too much thought into the value offered. I wouldn't mind seeing what kind of bargain they got on the gear involved.

Mike

 

[Blue Groove]

think of this too...

...the classes are about the same price range wherever you go, 16 weeks, or two days. The 16 week ones tend to rehash the same things. The two days are like five or six weeks of college, and the full course IS cramed into that time (it's like an honors class). I've learned an entire semester of college calc in two nights, about 12 hours, and PT is much easier. The quick classes also have more than one teacher, so everyone gets a good amount of help.

The HD req. is for full PT schools. Some of them, level one and two schools, have one to five. And yes, ALL schools have the money to do it. Some just don't have the students to make it profitable enough to pay the instructors with the tuition costs.

I was meaning that I was contacted about the jobs because of the PTC, I got the jobs based on my creds, like 1800 hrs of PT usage, and three music degrees, one from Berklee College of Music. PTC just helped me be seen.

Just a little info for you, hope this helps (hopefully I didn't word it in an offensive way)

 

[bigtoe]

...the classes are about the same price range wherever you go, 16 weeks, or two days. The 16 week ones tend to rehash the same things. The two days are like five or six weeks of college, and the full course IS cramed into that time (it's like an honors class). I've learned an entire semester of college calc in two nights, about 12 hours, and PT is much easier. The quick classes also have more than one teacher, so everyone gets a good amount of help.

The HD req. is for full PT schools. Some of them, level one and two schools, have one to five. And yes, ALL schools have the money to do it. Some just don't have the students to make it profitable enough to pay the instructors with the tuition costs.

I was meaning that I was contacted about the jobs because of the PTC, I got the jobs based on my creds, like 1800 hrs of PT usage, and three music degrees, one from Berklee College of Music. PTC just helped me be seen.

Just a little info for you, hope this helps (hopefully I didn't word it in an offensive way)

not at all. thanks for the reply i still find the 8 hour days not effective. it sounds like they are offering these to people who already know the material anyway but for money generating reasons they make people take them to get certified? is that right? can you skip classes?

i mean let's face it...these programs aren't that hard even if you've never recorded on them before and just have transferrable studio experience.

i'm curious as to why that in the certification classes offered by my particular institution, they all run between 200-1000 bucks for minimum a month worth of training with 90% of them costing about 600 dollars. there's about 150 on that list.

do you have an opinion as to why this computer program class should both cost more than any other computer program class offered and be offered with substantially less training hours?

Mike

 

[giraffe]

again, I think this is just Digi being reasonable. This way schools can't purchase just one HD unit (or even an Mbox), say they offer a Digi certified course and bring in 25 students a week to all learn on one computer.

na, fuck them. seriously.
you can't tell me that you have to have 25hd rigs to teach on and that you couldn't do just fine on say, 40 002's and 5 hd rigs.
and save a shit ton of money.
digidesign (my love and use of thier product aside) are assholes. this is only one of the many ways in which they have proven the fact to me again.

 

[bennychico11]

na, fuck them. seriously.
you can't tell me that you have to have 25hd rigs to teach on and that you couldn't do just fine on say, 40 002's and 5 hd rigs.

well, a lot of the stuff you can't show on LE. Even up until recently you couldn't show how Beat Detective worked unless you had an HD unit. And how are 25 students going to learn on only 5 systems?

not to mention, as Blue Groove pointed out above...supposedly the whole 25 HD requirement is for full PT training schools. Other levels have less equipment. But as I mentioned before, we are just a bunch of forum users speculating on how things are run behind the scenes. We could all be very wrong about how it works. Maybe Digi just GIVES these away to the schools...we don't know.

 

[giraffe]

well, a lot of the stuff you can't show on LE. Even up until recently you couldn't show how Beat Detective worked unless you had an HD unit. And how are 25 students going to learn on only 5 systems?

true, but this is by and far away the exception.

Maybe Digi just GIVES these away to the schools...we don't know.

hahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[TuoKaerf]

Concitering you actually had to be able to use the software, I'm glad we had the rigs.

Its like being a pilot who has never flown a plane.

 

[bigtoe]

what?

 

[Mindset]

well, a lot of the stuff you can't show on LE. Even up until recently you couldn't show how Beat Detective worked unless you had an HD unit. And how are 25 students going to learn on only 5 systems?

not to mention, as Blue Groove pointed out above...supposedly the whole 25 HD requirement is for full PT training schools. Other levels have less equipment. But as I mentioned before, we are just a bunch of forum users speculating on how things are run behind the scenes. We could all be very wrong about how it works. Maybe Digi just GIVES these away to the schools...we don't know.

The school I go to (Media Tech Insitute) was required few years ago to grab 25 units to do the PT certs. Of course, they declined, and just stuck with the full recording arts program.