Pro commercial release cost

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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Allow me to spin that a bit:

"Big label companies don't care about the quality of the recording or the quality of the music or the quality of the performance. They care about the miarketability of the package."

There are exceptions on all counts with some of the smaller "big labels", of course.

But the stereotypical "big label" (there is only one left anyway...just about :rolleyes: ) would make a platinum first run printing of just the 1k - 2k slice of pink noise in mono if they thought that with enough advertising they could convince the college crowd that it was The Next Big Thing.

G.

Well.............Yeah..............but..............

They DO kind'a care about what they would be investing their $$$ in. Even f'in Brittney Spears can sing. They would sign her with a package containing concert sellouts and a cassette tape.

The quality of the actual recording is of no matter UNLESS they were thinking of just pressing your record directly.
 
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Ford Van said:
So, this other band is punk? :rolleyes: You younguns have a very warped sense of what "punk" and "metal" are. I could play either recording for 100 people (non-musicians) and 99 of them are going to say "metal".

So you guys share the same singer right?

Nope.

I have a very clear idea of what punk and metal are (wanna quiz me?). Hence i know these words incorporate an ethos as well as a sound (in broad terms metal=excess, punk=removing all excess.... that is why i think the production doesn't sound like us)

We sound metal but i think we are a punk band. Go figure.

I'm not here to defend myself anyway, so i'm bowing out.
 
You should bow out. You definitely AREN'T a punk band! Doom metal sounds more like it!
 
ecktronic said:
... Im learning as much as I can about mixing at the moment so hopefully our bands 2nd album will be a cracker!


If I ran a label, and my bands all started thinking they could run around like monkeys and self-produce / mix their records (using their soundblaster cards for overdubs) with the money I was fronting them ... I would drop the band in an instant.

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ecktronic said:
Ok. If you are still around this forum in a year and a half then we shall see how it turns out.
Eck
If forum be here. chessrock are belong to us.
 
Ford Van said:
You should bow out. You definitely AREN'T a punk band! Doom metal sounds more like it!

I feel like i'm arguing with my Dad. We're a long way past the Sex Pistols you know. I'm talking about ways of doing things (DIY, sustainability, community, stripping things down, alot of things diametricly opposed to the Punk of the 70's but the word has evolved to mean different things to different people eg. gay, ******) not about playing barre chords fast. I'm talking about punk, you're talking about Punk.
 
chessrock said:
If I ran a label, and my bands all started thinking they could run around like monkeys and self-produce / mix their records (using their soundblaster cards for overdubs) with the money I was fronting them ... I would drop the band in an instant.

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Well thats your opinion, but in the end a record label should be more interested in the "music", as thats what "music" is about in the end!
 
ecktronic said:
Well thats your opinion, but in the end a record label should be more interested in the "music", as thats what "music" is about in the end!

Then why did you even bother starting this thread in the first place?

Why not just track your stuff on a mini tape recorder and hand it to the label when you're done? They should all be thrilled, because, after all, it's about the music.

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MatthewRedStars said:
I feel like i'm arguing with my Dad. We're a long way past the Sex Pistols you know. I'm talking about ways of doing things (DIY, sustainability, community, stripping things down, alot of things diametricly opposed to the Punk of the 70's but the word has evolved to mean different things to different people eg. gay, ******) not about playing barre chords fast. I'm talking about punk, you're talking about Punk.

As long as you adhere to the proper hair and clothing standards enacted by the Punk Standards and Practices Act 512.3A, that is all that matters.
 
chessrock said:
Then why did you even bother starting this thread in the first place?

Why not just track your stuff on a mini tape recorder and hand it to the label when you're done? They should all be thrilled, because, after all, it's about the music.

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You are confusing yourself Chessrock. My last post was refering to you saying that if you owned a label then you ditch a band if they used a Soundblaster card to record overdubbs. Of course the qulaity of production matters to me, but the music is the most important part obviously! (expect for the marketing if your talking about the majors)

Eck
 
Of course the qulaity of production matters to me, but the music is the most important part obviously!

yea, well...$5 says that the production value matters a hell of a lot more to your label than the music
 
Ironklad Audio said:
yea, well...$5 says that the production value matters a hell of a lot more to your label than the music
How do you know?
You dont even know what label we are signed to!!
Our label are sound with us. They have released albums all over the world with artists all over the world, and none of their production (I would say) is close to an Andy Wallace or Terry Date album.
But that hasnt stopped them selling records.

Eck

ps: You owe us $5! ;)
 
Ironklad Audio said:
yea, well...$5 says that the production value matters a hell of a lot more to your label than the music


So you're telling us that if a label signs a shite act with weak and unguided direction, it dosn't matter just as long as it sounds pretty?

The music dictates the production.

and I mean that in a very "it's always open for discussion" kina way. :)
 
Good acts are a dime a dozen.

Hell, you could go to just about any open mic night in a decent-sized city and hear at least one good act that has some material that is marketable.

Very special acts are extremely few and far between, and chances are yours falls somewhere "in between." So if I'm a record label, and I take a chance on a particular act, and front them the money to track their record ... and one day, I get wind that they're taking my money and acting like a bunch of monkeys with delusional Phil Specter fantasies while tracking their own overdubs with a fucking Soundblaster card ... they're history.

I don't care who you are. Yea, it's about the music. Yours and about 100 million other shredders with your poorly designed myspace pages and $500 / month practice spaces you share with 10 other bands who sound just like you.

You wanna' be the next Tom Lord-Alge? Congratulations on your new career, but it ain't happen' on my dime. Go take your soundblaster and Mackie board on over to another label. This is a business, and I don't have time to screw around with a bunch of monkeys who don't understand their roles.

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chessrock said:
I don't care who you are. Yea, it's about the music. Yours and about 100 million other shredders with your poorly designed myspace pages and $500 / month practice spaces you share with 10 other bands who sound just like you.

This is a business, and I don't have time to screw around with a bunch of monkeys who don't understand their roles.

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You are calling us monkeys?
Id really like to hear some of your own music, or artists you have signed.

Eck

ps: 46,000 of our friends (and almost a 1/4 million plays) dont seem to share your same opinion that our myspace page is poorly designed. Even if it is, I dont care, folk (and us) love our music so thats what I care about.
We also have our own private practice room/studio, so we dont pay $500 for it and we dont share it with anyone.
 
Eck,

Don't make me part of this little Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnel thing you and chess have going. And I have not had a chance to actually give your music a listen, so I have no comment to make one way or the other.

But I do have an honest question: Are you are saying that the label fronted you money to spend on getting an album produced and didn't send a producer along to make sure the money actually got spent properly?

I'd like that label's address! :D

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Eck,

Don't make me part of this little Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnel thing you and chess have going. And I have not had a chance to actually give your music a listen, so I have no comment to make one way or the other.

G.

Me too, but I gotta say this. I was on a small label at one time, and the owner saw us play live and said, do you wanna put out a CD w/ me?

We are talking a very amature level here, and he basically fronted us cash to make a CD. I was in charge of getting everything together and all the proper players involved, and he was very happy w/ the results. Not everything is a huge deal. There are different ways of doing everything. Sometimes bands need that community relationship a "label" gives them to get shows and network.

But the OP did open a kettle of fishes when he started talking Def tones and Perfect Circle, so we are not talking about little deals here.

Peace
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Eck,

Don't make me part of this little Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnel thing you and chess have going. And I have not had a chance to actually give your music a listen, so I have no comment to make one way or the other.

But I do have an honest question: Are you are saying that the label fronted you money to spend on getting an album produced and didn't send a producer along to make sure the money actually got spent properly?

I'd like that label's address! :D

G.
No, we didnt get money for our first album, as we already had the product finshed, but then we decided to re-record it, and they helped us out with buying equipment but didnt front any money for a producer.
I would respect your honest opinion on our music if you have the time.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=415936&songID=4902474

Eck
 
ecktronic said:
I would respect your honest opinion on our music if you have the time.
I would if you offered your stuff for download. I can't stream here; and even if I could, streaming is not a good format to critique for anything other than basic demo purposes.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
I would if you offered your stuff for download. I can't stream here; and even if I could, streaming is not a good format to critique for anything other than basic demo purposes.

G.
Its best if I dont give out clips of our music as the label wouldnt be happy with that. Sorry about that.

Eck
 
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