Preamps - Its A Tasters Choice

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Some like their coffee with a little cream, some like it black, some like it with half and half and sugar, some leave off the sugar. I like it black and every now and then with condensed milk - no sugar. So, some like tubes, some like no tubes. Though there are lots of recommendations for various pre amps, there is no consensus and little by way of descriptive sound quality upon which one can base a judgement. Why does this matter? Why not just go in to the cafe', have a cup and see if you like it. The answer is that it is difficult to find a place where you can compare all of the possible pres you might be considering. Most stores do no even have these things set up for trial use. Even if they had some of them set up for a try out, the environment is not optimal. One needs to slowly sip thier coffee over the course of a few different mornings under various wakeing conditions to determine whether or not that particular blend is right for them, better than something else, works but not everyday, good for everyday but not for special occassions.

How can people like us (me) knw what to do when looking for a high end pre amp if we cannot hear it first over a period of time albeit a short period in the environment in which it will ultimately be used. To truly test such a piece of equipment, one would have to put the thing through all of its paces and then maybe there would be a good objective and well reasoned decision.

Ultimately, most of our decisions on which high end pre amp to buy may, unfortunately, be emotional decisions for lack of any better information and criteria being available.

I am considering a higne end stereo pre amp. From the threads here, I have narrowed the field down to roughly every pre amp over $1,500.00. Maybe its not quite that bad but I had just about decided on an Avalon until I read some threads here and thought, hmmmm, maybe a Neve type pre amp. Then the field (coffee) just got muddier and muddier. What is the ultimate criteria apart and aside from listening or is there none.

Your input/output, colored though it may be, hyped on tube coffee thought it may be, should be expressed in terms such as "it has a creamy textured sound with crisp, clean highs and full, robust lows" and don't forget the aroma becuase the smell of a pre amp is also very important.
 
And the winners is...

I am intersted in a dual channel tube pre amp that I can use for vocals and for stereo keyboards. There is a dual channel Avalon mic pre that looks good or maybe UA 2610 or possibly Amek Neve Dual Mic Amp. I suppose I could use the return policy to test these various boxes. In the meantime, does anyone here have any thoughts, experience or opinions that I might want to consider before spening 2k of hard earned money on a box f this nature. One thing I did leave out is that the experience of unbiased fellow users and gearheads is and can be invaulable in making these decisions. The collective experience of the people that frequent this site is a great resource. Please share it.
 
-How do you take your coffee?
-I take my coffee black, like my men

Anyone know what movie this is from?

Back on topic. The only tube pre I've used is the Aphex 107 TOOB model. It was ok for my first "real" pre to use with my AT4033. I've since upgraded to the solid-state Great River MP2. That gives me all the warmth I need!
Good luck with your search. I'm sure you'll find lots of stuff you like at that price range.
 
So I should drink coffee while listening to the preamp???

Now I'm really confused.

Seriously, guitar center may or may not be a good place to shop but your right about that return policy. You can't beat using it at home for up to 30 days.

I would be stuck with two units that I really ended up not liking if it weren't for that policy.
 
Jack,

If you're spending that kind of money, then you really owe it to yourself to do a google search on rec.audio.pro. Most of the guys on this site, save a few of the gear sluts and gear crack whores (see: littledog :) ) have any experience with these kinds of high end toys.

Here, I even did the search for you myself using keywords "best preamp." There's a really good discussion about it on the third page. And the very first thread is very enlightening: http://groups.google.com/groups?as_...-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=rec.audio.pro&lr=&hl=en
 
the movie: "Airplane"...

The Preamp: Whatever you like/can afford....I've been using a slightly tweaked Mindprint as of late...no, its not a Neve, but careful application of comp (eq as a last resort) can lead to some very very good results...

I have used them, and everyone seems to agree that the Great River is a great pre...never heard the Amek, but there are an awful lot of them in top studios...
 
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I checked out the threads on Google. Thanx.
Very interesting. The "Best" anything when it comes to audio components is generally a subjective opinion and hus none to reliable. There is no objective criteria really applicable with reference to sound. So, application is in fact very important. That should help me decide. For the most part, I want a pre-amp that I can use for the stereo synths, samplers, keboards and modules and, obviously, that also sounds great on vocals and acoustic instruments. Of course the microphone is important but a decent mic can be greatly enriched by a great pre amp (or so I am led to believe by all of the posts I have read).

I suppose for all around instrument and vocal sounds, a Neve might very well be my best bet. If that is so, then what model should a purchase and from where?
 
I don't think that there's any possibility of a single answer to this. I have never been a real boutique-preamp fanatic, for whatever perverse reason: for most of the recording I do, I find the pres in my Ghost are perfectly satisfactory.

However, I have a paying location-recording deal coming up, for some very delicate acoustic music, and that just _screams_ for low noise- just like the style of music, and the venue, are gonna scream for M/S micing. So I've been saving up for a while, and I'm going to splurge and buy myself an Amek 9098 DMP dual pre. I've borrowed one in the past, and found it to be very nice, very quiet, and it does MS as a bonus. And is a little less than $1500.

It'll be nice to have around afterwards, too. (;-) Mr. Neve certainly does have a nice touch with low-noise electronic design...

My mental image of the recording process is generally "mics add color, everything else should approximate a straight wire with gain". So this unit will work pretty well for me, where some of the others in the same price range might not. For me, this thing is an investment, not an experiment...

Your mileage will certainly vary, and what works for me will probably not work for anybody else- I'm a real wierdball throwback, completely out of touch with the modern times. And I kinda like it that way!
 
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Jack Hammer said:
I suppose for all around instrument and vocal sounds, a Neve might very well be my best bet. If that is so, then what model should a purchase and from where?

I would be inclined to go with the Great River MP2-NV, but there are a lot of options. I would give Fletcher at Mercenary a call if that were the case.

www.mercenary.com
 
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