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[drummingmonkey]

I need to buy some equiptment to record my bands that I play with in my basement. Right now were just using a $20 radio shack mic recording everything in the room going into the line-in port on my computer.
So anyway this is what I think im going to get, let me know if this stuff is good or there is something better to use for around the same price range.
2 Behringer ECM8000 Microphones (over head for drums)
1 Audix D-6 Sub Impulse Kick Microphone (bass drum mic)
2 Shure SM57 (over amps)
1 Behringer Eurorack UB2222FX-PRO Mixer

It doesnt need to be the best stuff just somewhat decent, and better then what we have now. Any help or suggestions would be apprectiated
thanks
-matt

 

[TexRoadkill]

Those mics should work well. I would get just about anything over that mixer. Look for a used Mackie or Soundcraft. The Yamaha MG series is okay for a cheapie.

 

[drummingmonkey]

you think I would be better off with like the Yamaha MG16?

 

[drummingmonkey]

o and which of thoose mics need the phantom power? im pretty sure the behringer does, but what about the other two, if they dont need it can they still work with it on, i think they have to be balanced too work with it but dont know if they are.
thanks again
-matt

 

[hand in glove]

Yeah only the behringer would you need phantom power, but that doesn't really matter as all desks (well, vast majority) have phantom power and it allocates the power to all the inputs anyway, not just one... And yes you can use other mics which don't require power with it on.

The mixer you will get alot of mixed feelings towards them, probablty more as a manufacturer, but i think that mixer is fine from what i've experienced but i've never owned one. Still that being said, everyone is very neutral towards the Yamaha MG stuff atm which is about the same price anyway and i too would choose the Yamaha MG.

 

[ssscientist]

I have one of the Behringer ECM8000s and it does need phantom power along with a HUGE amount of preamp gain to boost the seriously quiet signal it puts out.

You'd do better by saving up a little while longer and going with something like these or two of these .

 

[orksnork]

Yeah only the behringer would you need phantom power, but that doesn't really matter as all desks (well, vast majority) have phantom power and it allocates the power to all the inputs anyway, not just one... And yes you can use other mics which don't require power with it on.

The mixer you will get alot of mixed feelings towards them, probablty more as a manufacturer, but i think that mixer is fine from what i've experienced but i've never owned one. Still that being said, everyone is very neutral towards the Yamaha MG stuff atm which is about the same price anyway and i too would choose the Yamaha MG.

although not applicable here, watch what advice you give about phantom power being fine on all mics...it'll rip up some ribbons

 

[hand in glove]

although not applicable here, watch what advice you give about phantom power being fine on all mics...it'll rip up some ribbons

hmmm true, i didn't mean to speak of it so loosely. Sorry, it was more of a general omission.
Yet i should have said "most" microphones will ignore the signal that don't require it.
That being said also with phantom power its compulsory that you use XLR only cables as XLR to a 1/4" will not work. Theres also more reasons to do with phantom power and patchbays and thats why XLR patchbays too are usually may be more recommended instead of TRS.

AND further more, yes some mics dislike the power and can cause further damage to the actual microphone.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

 

[drummingmonkey]

Alright so i think im gonna go with the yamaha mixer and the mics that I said I first.

I have one of the Behringer ECM8000s and it does need phantom power along with a HUGE amount of preamp gain to boost the seriously quiet signal it puts out.

You'd do better by saving up a little while longer and going with something like these or two of these .

Thanks but I dont really want to spend more money since i need to save for when ill be driving shortly. If its just that the behringer mics are a little quiet i think it should be fine since they will be micing my drums which should be loud enough.

 

[drummingmonkey]

anymore comments, complaints, or suggestions about that stuff?

 

[OhSh1rt]

Do you have vocals?

and a mic on the snare does wonders.




-jeffrey

 

[ssscientist]

I would still strongly discourage you from counting on the Behringer ECM8000 --- which is marketed as a measurement microphone --- and is not the kind of 'quiet' which can be compensated for just by turning up the gain knob on a Behringer board. I use one with my custom made tube preamp that has a +20 boost on the input side and a +30 boost on the output side, and I can barely get the gain up to a usable level.

Take my advice and go with these.

 

[drummingmonkey]

Do you have vocals?

and a mic on the snare does wonders.

-jeffrey

Yes, we do have vocals in the bands, and we have an ok PA, but what im kinda planing on doing if we want a good recording is to record the instrumental parts then record the vocals on top using the sm57's. Or just recording it with the two 57s recording the pa the bass amp and two guitar amps.
right now we just have one crappy mic recording everything including the vocals, and if you wanted to hear how that sounds it here: http://www.myspace.com/thepastime
a snare mic is something I could add later on since i really don't have the money right now.

I would still strongly discourage you from counting on the Behringer ECM8000 --- which is marketed as a measurement microphone --- and is not the kind of 'quiet' which can be compensated for just by turning up the gain knob on a Behringer board. I use one with my custom made tube preamp that has a +20 boost on the input side and a +30 boost on the output side, and I can barely get the gain up to a usable level.

Take my advice and go with these.

alright ill listen to you im sure you know more about it then I do. they'll only be about $70. I'll see if i can get some money from the rest of the band to help out. I'm planning on going to guitar center soon and seeing what i can get there and for lower prices then online.

Is there anything else you would say about :
MXL 993 Condenser Microphones Stereo Pair (overhead drum)
Yamaha MG16/4 16-Input 4-Bus Mixer (mixer)
Audix D-6 Sub Impulse Kick Microphone (bass drum mic)
2 Shure SM57 (over amps (and PA?))

thanks again for the help
-matt

 

[marshall409]

MSH-1A's

ive only heard goodthings about these mics. supposed to be very good as overheads. hand built by a member of these forums. 20 bucks each! look in the mic forum for the threads about them. i know when i go to buy overheads, ill be looking into these first and foremost. i'd personally stay away from those budget MXL's. theyve sorta got a noobie reputation for being the cheapest overheads out there for new, when really, you could get something used, off ebay or the like and end up with much better mics with much better reputations. just my 2 cents.

Adam

 

[drummingmonkey]

ive only heard goodthings about these mics. supposed to be very good as overheads. hand built by a member of these forums. 20 bucks each! look in the mic forum for the threads about them. i know when i go to buy overheads, ill be looking into these first and foremost. i'd personally stay away from those budget MXL's. theyve sorta got a noobie reputation for being the cheapest overheads out there for new, when really, you could get something used, off ebay or the like and end up with much better mics with much better reputations. just my 2 cents.

Adam

Ive seen people talking about the msh-1a's but cant find much about them, where do you get them? who are they made by? etc.

 

[drummingmonkey]

any body try, or know anything about the MSH-1A's?

 

[dgatwood]

any body try, or know anything about the MSH-1A's?

http://www.naiant.com/studiostore.html

They're built by one of the folks on this board.

I'd like to second the recommendation about getting a better board. Personally, I'd recommend the Peavey PV series. They're slightly more expensive than the Yamaha MG series, but the preamps spec out a lot better, and IMHO, they sound exceptionally good as far as low end gear goes.

 

[drummingmonkey]

yea i found that a little while ago, thanks still though. I posted this question in the MSH-1A matched pair test but i guess ill ask it here too.
im thinking of getting a matched pair of the msh-1a's for overheads for recording my drums in my basement. Would they also work well as over heads for my band's amp in my basement, or even for the price get one to mic each amp seperatly to record? or would the msh-4's be better or a completely different mic?.
Thanks alot
-Matt

 

[drummingmonkey]

bump.. anyone?

 

[marshall409]

MSH-1A's on amps

It would probably work fine. But you'd pick up noise from alll the other amps i think unless they were being recorded one at a time or in isolation. condensors are more sensitive than dynamics to noise not right infront of them. thats why something like say, a 57 is so good for amps. you cn place it on stage infront of an amp andtrust that it is only hearing the thing its poointed at, not your drummer yelling curses at you bass player in the background. theres probably something else out there that could do a bit better on amps than the 1A. at the least, it shouldnt be your main amp mic. pick up some 57's or audix i-5's or sennheiser e609's and use those on your amps. the MSH-1A's, being condensors, are aimed more at acoustic instruments such as acoustic guitar(ive heard great clips of acoustics with these mics), harps, strings, drums, etc.


Adam