Poll: Would You Buy A Dual Mono RNC?

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Would you buy a dual mono RNC?

  • Hell Yeah!

    Votes: 36 76.6%

  • No Way Jose.

    Votes: 10 21.3%

  • BLASPHEMER!!!

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Total voters
    47
Yo Fletcher! Welcome to the board! Well, I own an RNC, which I bought, coincedentally from you, and your Bob Dylan impression is impressive! Of course, you are well known to the audio community here. However, I disagree with Monsieur Roadkill in that people here *do* get into the kind of pissing matches found on any bulletin board on earth. Characteristically, a goodly percentage of these have occurred between businessmen giving what they felt was an honest impression of their product, whether or not in comparison with it's competition, and folks that resented their alledged spam. And of course, some people just make strong bold statements, and feel required to give one whenever they see one.
You, of course, may do as you wish, and call 'em as you sees 'em. Your years of experience have earned you the right. All I'm saying is if you don't feed immediately on your natural enemies, we, the modestly interested, might, just might, get the benefit of your sage wisdom. I'd really like that. The only honest warning I can give you is don't bait blue bears. I hope you have enough fun here to stick around-Richie

And P.S.-I've got that RNC jammed right betrween a Joemeek twinQ and an Avalon AD2022, and it works just fine.
 
That's cool. I shouldn't have been so specific about the PSU because if it costs that much more I'll just deal with the wall wart. Making it balanced would be more of a pain for me and my setup with unbalanced board inserts.

Mark's gear rocks. I have a couple of RNC's and wouldn't mind picking up a RNP. I'm sure like most of us he does it mainly for his own geeky satisfaction but I hope the money is there for them. I don't know what kind of wholesale margins you guys see but as tight as the retail margins are I can't imagine getting rich too quickly as a manufacturer.

I don't understand why their dealer channel is so limited. Their price points are perfect for 'dude with a job' impulse buys but having to buy them mail order just makes that harder. I think FMR's biggest paradox is that their stuff is too unavailable to the people who could use and afford them and they're too cheap to be taken seriously in the pro circles. Anyone who's willing to spend $100 on a 3630 or Behringer would easily fork over the extra on a RNC if there was someone to educate them and have it in stock.
 
It's all well and good using one RNC per channel. But then you have to use one Wallwart per RNC.
 
Fletcher said:
Yo Tex... my comment wasn't meant as a 'minor insult'... it was meant as a realistic statment. You have obviously never been involved with 'short run manufacturing'. If you had ever been involved with 'short run manufacturing' you would have understood how utterly impossible it would be to accomplish your request.

Having run a 'short run manufacturing' firm, having worked very closely with 'short run manufacturers' for the last half dozen or so years, I have a pretty good idea of what is, and what ain't feasible.



That kind of version couldn't go for $500... well I guess it could, but Mark and Beth [Mr. and Mrs. "FMR"] would probably be homeless inside of 6 months if they did it.

I'm quite sure a 'dual mono capable' version of the current RNC [unbalanced, wall wart] could be done for around $500, or very probably even less, but when you get into things like 'internal power supplies' and even 'electronically balanced' I/O's... you're talkin' beau coup bucks... it would cost more than $500 to make a unit that had all those features... which where I come from, ain't economically feasible

Aside from the design and manufacture of that kind of item... once you get into shit like 'internal power supplies... you're now talking about "UL" or at very least "CE" certification... which is a piss hole in the snow if you're making 250,000 Panasonic TV sets, and a major leauge expense if you're making 1500 RNC's.



Yeah... they set their price on the RNC, and the RNP. BTW, FMR actually lost money on the first couple dozen units of the RNP that were delivered... it wasn't until all the "bugs" were found, corrected, and production was stabalized that they were able to realize a modest profit on the units... no shit.

What you proposed was an entirely different unit, one with features and functions that far exceed their current product line.

Much to my dismay [and FMR's detriment], Mark McQuilken [FMR's chief cook and bottle washer] is quite adament about the street pricing on the RNC and RNP being the lowest it can possibly be.

Now, I'm not dismayed by their pricing because we would like to see a greater profit on the sale of these units... our margin is fine and dandy from my perspective. I'm dismayed because their oldest is about to enter college, they have another that isn't far behind... and they're going to have to struggle to put together stuff like tuition.

The fact of the matter, at least from where I sit, is that Mark and Beth have done this industry a great service and should be better compensated for their efforts. Perhaps that's just my twisted opinion... but I sincerely believe that people that are as brilliant as Mark, and work as hard as the Mcquilken family should prosper in a greater manner than they have prospered.

It's their 'hippie' sensibilities... and if that's what they want to do, and how they want to work... it's not my place to contradict them in any manner, shape, nor form. However... when someone who has never done the kind of work they do suggests that they should do ____ for ____ and it's absolutely, totally, and completely, unfeasible... as their friend, I feel it's my job to mention it.

Now... if my previous answer, which lacked the details outlined above [and I do mean outlined as the whole equasion is far more complex] irked you... sorry... but I sincerely hope you can kinda understand the full context of my previously brief remarks.
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Yep. True.....All true.......
 
I'll vote no, simply because from what I understand of how it is made, a dual mono would be almost twice the cost on the stereo one, and obviously, it's all a matter of price.
 
TexRoadkill said:
I don't understand why their dealer channel is so limited.
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When they can increase production, then [and only then] can they increase distribution. Currently, their production just about meets the current demand of the current distribution model.

While M-A orders a few dozen RNC and RNP's per week, it is remarkably difficult for us to keep 'a dozen on the shelf' as they are purchased at about the same rate we can obtain the units.

Once or twice a year there is a 'production glitch' which has caused us to be as many as 4 dozen RNC's behind in delivery. They get caught up after a time... but for a while it's a major pain in the ass.

FMR has found a new production house for the boards [final assembly and 'quality control testing' is done at FMR]... and hopefully production will indeed increase. When their production capabilities do indeed increase, then distribution channels can also be increased.

The problem there is that now someone [either an additional employee at FMR, or an outside distribution firm] will be required to manage the "dealer network".

Managing the "dealer network" means that someone has to make sure all the dealer orders are processed, that the dealers have all the requisite promotional materials and are doing their job of properly presenting the product. It also means that any and all 'customer service issues' are properly handled [currently, FMR's "failure in the field' rate runs under 1/2 of 1%, but even if they maintain this level of 'quality control'... with more units in the field, there will be more failures that must be addressed]. This is a big step for any 'boutique' manufacturer [and have no doubts about it, FMR is very much a 'boutique manufacturer].

A large capital outlay is required to expand a dealer network [as most dealers pay on a "net 30" basis... which means that FMR will have to float the expense of the additional units distributed for a month!!], and by adding either an employee to monitor the 'dealer network' or a 'distribution firm' to monitor the 'dealer network' it will also increase their 'overhead expenses'.

There are many, many, struggles that are endured by 'boutique' manufacturers... these are only a few of them.

Having a dealer on every corner is pragmatic if you're "Yamaha" [or any other exceptionally large, multi-national firm that has the immediate resources to throw at these kinds of problems... because they know that 'millions of units' will be sold], but it is often more of a liability than an asset for the 'boutique' manufacturer.

I hope this makes sense...
 
Definately makes sense, thanks for the info. Hopefully they can grow without getting burried. It's always risky taking a business to the next level.

So any idea on a ballpark price for a dual mono? It seems the consensus is that it would have to be less than two stereo RNC's. Would the dual mono have a stereo link? Is all that possible for around $300?
 
Fletcher said:


While M-A orders a few dozen RNC and RNP's per week, it is remarkably difficult for us to keep 'a dozen on the shelf' as they are purchased at about the same rate we can obtain the units.

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and sometimes they get backordered like my RNP :(
 
Okay Clever Clogs. Now invent a way I can run two RNCs off of the same Wallwart.
 
Get FMR to send you a power supply from an RNP and splice in another plug on its' output. From what I've read, the RNP wall wart powerful enough for 2 RNCs, although I haven't seen the power requirements for the RNC yet so I could be mistaken. Maybe someone who owns one could take a peek at their wall wart and tell me what its ouput is. It wouldn't be much work to put together a multiple output version for people using more than one RNC.
 
Mark7 said:
It's all well and good using one RNC per channel. But then you have to use one Wallwart per RNC.
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I think you could power both units off one wallwart. You'd just need to rig the wiring, and maybe get a wallwart that puts out a bigger maximum power. But I'd be surprised if it couldn't be done.
 
Hawking said:
Get FMR to send you a power supply from an RNP and splice in another plug on its' output. From what I've read, the RNP wall wart powerful enough for 2 RNCs, although I haven't seen the power requirements for the RNC yet so I could be mistaken. Maybe someone who owns one could take a peek at their wall wart and tell me what its ouput is. It wouldn't be much work to put together a multiple output version for people using more than one RNC.
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My wallwart says 500mA, which is what the RNC also says. So I guess you'd want a 1A, 9VAC wallwart, which are all over the internet anywhere from about $10 to $35 (and probably higher).

I have to agree with whoever first mentioned just getting two RNC's. They're so cheap, just get two along with a power strip that has the plugs spaced better for wallwarts.
 
This thread makes me want to go buy a few dozen of the things. I have 2 and they are almost always the first inserts patched into a mix. Its not like I wouldn't be getting my money's worth... have one strapped across every stereo bus, one in supernice on the 2-bus... ah, heaven.

By comparison, my dbx 160xt (which is also always patched in) cost me more used than a new RNC- takes up the same space in the rack a 6 channels of RNC. The 166a typically only gest one of its 2 cahnnels patched in for bass- because the 160 is busy with vocals...

Yeah teh RNC is a pretty darned good deal as is. :)

-C
 
give me 2k and id buy a 1176 and distressor. i use my rncs alot but damn the cant hold a candle to either of those comps. id set em up on buss sidechains and run about everything through em just for color. rnc is damn nice though. best bang for buck comp out there hands down.
 
Wow... This is an old thread...

Word in the ether is that a RMFNC is being developed... Dual mono, BALANCED, maybe even a different color scheme (like black and yellow... If you catch my drift).

Don't know if the rumor still stands, but if it does, I'll be in line on release day.
 
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