Nick The Man
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Well?????????????????????
zed32
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cash up front!
Nick The Man
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WEEEERRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDzed32 said:
zed32
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Nick The Man said:
the point being to get the musicians' money before they change their minds and spend it on booZe!
Nick The Man
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lol yeah it makes sense im expecting most people to answer with that option although when i do record people i do the "when its all said and done option" but maybe ill change my ways.... maybe when i get a little more professional
im still in the learning stage but i feel im making good progress, half the battle is making everyone feel comfortable in the studio, otherwise its just akward
im still in the learning stage but i feel im making good progress, half the battle is making everyone feel comfortable in the studio, otherwise its just akward
zed32
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you forgot to include "i can't read" as an option
Nick The Man
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southside, i see you answered other... is there an explanation
Nick The Man
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SHITzed32 said:
zed32
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Nick The Man said:
he can't read.
Nick The Man
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put your extra think glasses on there glen
SouthSIDE Glen
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For me, it depends upon the client and on the type of recording setup. Do I know them and trust them? Are they going by the hour or buying a set package?
If it's by the hour, I'd like to set up a minimum estimate package and get a down payment of some type, 20-50%, minimum (unless I know and trust them well, in which case I'll take a handshake.)
Same thing if they are buying a package, the difference being it's not just an estimate, but rather a hard figure based upon a set amount of time not to be exceeded. *NEVER* charge a set bid price without setting a maximum amount of time, otherwise you'll be nickeled and dimed to death on "one more take" and "that's still not quite right", and before you know it a paid 2-hr session takes 8 hours and you wind up paying them for you time.
G.
If it's by the hour, I'd like to set up a minimum estimate package and get a down payment of some type, 20-50%, minimum (unless I know and trust them well, in which case I'll take a handshake.)
Same thing if they are buying a package, the difference being it's not just an estimate, but rather a hard figure based upon a set amount of time not to be exceeded. *NEVER* charge a set bid price without setting a maximum amount of time, otherwise you'll be nickeled and dimed to death on "one more take" and "that's still not quite right", and before you know it a paid 2-hr session takes 8 hours and you wind up paying them for you time.
G.
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
aha there it is,
yeah that makes sense, thats a good system
Massive Master
www.massivemastering.com
50% down, 50% later - Before "delivery" or at the end of any session.
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NYMorningstar
Recording Modus Operandi
Use a contract and learn a little civil law. Service industry contracts are pretty hard to break in court and it's pretty easy to file and win a case. You are providing a service and if you have an agreement spelled out and you perform your end of it, you deserve to get paid. Once you get a judgement, collecting on it is another story but again, it is not that difficult. If you need, get an attorney to compose the contracts and/or handle your cases.
Of course, a little money up front is always better than a handshake
Of course, a little money up front is always better than a handshake
HangDawg
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I get paid at the end of every session. If they don't have the money then, that's ok they just don't get back in until they do.
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bigtoe
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it depends on the client and the job. i do 300 buck weekends 8 hours each day with a couple hours set up time on friday night...that's paid on sunday night.
i'll do longer stuff over the course of a year where i just tell em to hold it until we're done so we can work out what's fair. i keep em aprised of about where they're at and if they get too outta hand i ask for money.
if i use a studio - that money is paid upfront.
if the tracks leave my house - like dumped to a computer - money is paid.
all money is paid before the final disc is burned unless i know em and they're good for it. the cd release party usually helps pay for the mix.
to be honest though - it's usually whatever the client is comfortable with...some are freaky with money and want to pay when they book the session. some would rather wait and get a volume discount...doesn't matter to me. i've known most of my clients for 10-15 years...they're good for it and the new ones come from word of mouth from the old ones and they're good for it too.
Mike
i'll do longer stuff over the course of a year where i just tell em to hold it until we're done so we can work out what's fair. i keep em aprised of about where they're at and if they get too outta hand i ask for money.
if i use a studio - that money is paid upfront.
if the tracks leave my house - like dumped to a computer - money is paid.
all money is paid before the final disc is burned unless i know em and they're good for it. the cd release party usually helps pay for the mix.
to be honest though - it's usually whatever the client is comfortable with...some are freaky with money and want to pay when they book the session. some would rather wait and get a volume discount...doesn't matter to me. i've known most of my clients for 10-15 years...they're good for it and the new ones come from word of mouth from the old ones and they're good for it too.
Mike
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RawDepth
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I used to do live remote recordings for rock bands at nightclubs. One band got really drunk during their show and had a very sloppy night. At the end of the night, (after almost four hours of recording,) they changed their minds about buying the recording because they made too many mistakes. They argued that their "would be demo" was useless to them because it sucked. (Even though the sound quality came out pretty good for a live recording.) I argued that I did what they hired me to do.
I eventually got paid but, I made a few enemies in the process.
I suppose the same sort of thing could happen in the studio.
RD
I eventually got paid but, I made a few enemies in the process.
I suppose the same sort of thing could happen in the studio.
RD
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Any amount I charge for my time is substantial, I don't use attorneys and if you think you can win a case without a written contract you are a moron.bigtoe said:
I'm not sure what real world you live in but remind me not to use you for legal advice.bigtoe said:
Contracts are made to keep you out of court and in my own experience I have found mostly everyone pays because of the contract, not because of good will. I have won 19 out of 20 cases I have needed to file in the last 5 years and lost the one only because of an ambiguous clause in the contract taken advantage of by a very bright young person. Filing and winning a case with a good contract is as easy as ABC... Most of the bad debt cases I file are settled with mitigation in a pretrial phase by accepting payments without interest and only because I HAVE A CONTRACT!
Are you sure you are a paralegal? Most commercial claims are civil matters depending on the amount.bigtoe said:
Judgements are the heart of the matter and what you can sink your teeth into. You have 20 years to collect on a judgement and hold against a persons credit rating. It's a pretty powerful tool and if the person you have a judgement on has any value you can collect through filing an execution with the sheriff's department.
You sound a bit paranoid. People don't shy away from legitimacy. If you provide a valuable service then you can expect value in return and a good rep.bigtoe said:
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
In my experience, a contract puts positive rep out on the street that you operate as a professional, not negative rep.
Remember that a contract cuts both ways, it also serves as protection for the client (assuming it's not a shyster contract with some kind of rip-off fine print.) Either way, should a situation wind up in deliberation or in court, having a proper contract will cut through the crap.
Without the contract, it comes down to burden of proof. And the studio owner, as the complainent, will have the greater burden of proof on them. Without a contract to evidence, that burden becomes very difficult to carry.
On the other side, without a contract, the client has little to nothing to protect them either. Without a contract, a client can walk into a studio and walk out with a CD full of pink noise and farting sounds and have nothing to bring to court showing that the studio promised anything better (or not). Then the judge has to rely upon "reasonable expectations"; which is putting audio engineering issues and decisions in the hands of a layperson. None of us would want that.
And the contract does not have to be in the form of a seperate legal-looking document (though it can be.) Just have the client sign the receipt for the downpayment, and have the terms of service spelled out on the back of the receipt. That will work just fine in court should it ever get to that.
G.
Remember that a contract cuts both ways, it also serves as protection for the client (assuming it's not a shyster contract with some kind of rip-off fine print.) Either way, should a situation wind up in deliberation or in court, having a proper contract will cut through the crap.
Without the contract, it comes down to burden of proof. And the studio owner, as the complainent, will have the greater burden of proof on them. Without a contract to evidence, that burden becomes very difficult to carry.
On the other side, without a contract, the client has little to nothing to protect them either. Without a contract, a client can walk into a studio and walk out with a CD full of pink noise and farting sounds and have nothing to bring to court showing that the studio promised anything better (or not). Then the judge has to rely upon "reasonable expectations"; which is putting audio engineering issues and decisions in the hands of a layperson. None of us would want that.
And the contract does not have to be in the form of a seperate legal-looking document (though it can be.) Just have the client sign the receipt for the downpayment, and have the terms of service spelled out on the back of the receipt. That will work just fine in court should it ever get to that.
G.
