RICK FITZPATRICK
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Howdy all. Ok, knightfly started this, so don't get pissed at me
Just kiddin steve!
Ha! Heres the deal. I ain't no Bill Gates, but I still got a hankerin to build the real deal. I don't give a damn about how or what it takes to do it. But I HAVE to use what I got to start with. And this is what it is.
I bought this here house on a hill outside Coos Bay. Man, what a f...king view. And
on this property is a pole barn. The builder started it, but got.....lets say detained
And this here pole barn is pretty damn big. And tall. And it sits right on the edge of a 75' chasm. No kidding. The back poles are sitting on the edge. On HEAFTY concrete custom piers. Fat. Deep. Heavy duty. The poles are 14' high. The building is East to West long. North to South front to back.
There are 3 sets of 3 poles, with each set of 3 North to south poles supporting a 6 x 10' beam. End poles are braced to the beams, north to south. But no shear or bracing East to West. Looking at the front, resting on 2 sets of the post/beam assembly are 10 or so trusses,24" oc with an approx 25' span, x-braced between them, but 2 of the truss' have been braced East to West. The trusses have been sheithed with 1/2" ply and rolled comp. But here is the interesting thing. On the East end, they continued the roof pitch downward with 2x6 rafters down to another set of 3 poles/beam plate. This is also sheithed and the comp is old. What visually is interesting, is it sets up two big spaces, appropriately sized for studio, iso booths, and control room.
But gravity and wind have done its thing, and now it is starting to lean and rotate. It won't be long and this thing will fall. And that would be ashame to have $5k+ worth of already built roof be destroyed from lack of vision and indifference.
Here is my vision. Its my studio so I will save it. And this is how.
First off, the poles are only a temporary support device. BTW, it has an asphalt floor, a side building attatched to it, a mountain of fir tree branch's and ivy, and an eroding mountain side up to it. Ha!!! Not to mention the back wall plane looks straight down to a creek at 80 degee angle, and the east end drops 20" to 10" of run. Just like my driveway, which is asphalt and ends right in front of it. If that weren't enough, there is a woodpile and junk up the ass, 6' high and dumps eat you alive here.
OK, ok, I know. Bulldozer time. But noooooooooooooooooooooo! He has to make a friggin recording studio out of it. What a frigging moron!!!
Ha!! Ok, heres the immediate plan.... there is a 150' fir tree(Big John, which is right next to 200' Tall Paul) which will be an anchor to wrap a chain around. Which in turn I plan to connect 3 3/8" steel cables and 3 comealongs to. The plan is to have wood and steel temporary braces to fasten in place, untill I can cross brace between each set of East to West poles with the same type of cables and turnbuckles. These will be fastened to 1/2" steel eybolts at top and bottom of each pole. Outside perimeter only. This will have to last through the winter. That gives me and you time to PLAN.
The trick is to design a perimeter and shear wall that will rest on foundation footing poured between the piers. Its how to get them in place, while at the same time, removing the poles(or maybe not!) Well, you get the picture. Ha!!! Got my hardhat, gloves, various tools and maybe, with a bit of luck I can stabilize this piece of shit without killing myself. I will have some help, and I'll look at the whole thing 10 times before I do it. And of course, listen to your advice. This is a MOFO scary proposition, as I'm not accoustomed to structural delima's. And compared to this little ole body of mine, this is Goliath. Ha!
Well, as soon as I get my Hosting space squared away, I'll post some pics, and CAD layouts and my so-called PROPOSED solution in the next day or so. Ha! Well, I never said I was a structural engineer Steve. Michael, where are you when I need ya!! Knightfly, thanks for the offer of help, as I can use all the help I can get.
.......whats that dear? Well crap, the kitchen sink faucet just broke. Just put in a new water heater yesterday cause the damn thing was rotton. AND......and and;....&$%#)%*&@%_+)((&&%^@^&&*^*&
ARRRGGGGGGGGGARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
OLD HOUSES ARE FU............oops,..yes dear, its beatiful. You what. Discovered old Fir flooring under the linoleum? and you want to what? Refinish them? Yes dear, we can do that. Oh lord.. Good grief.
Cheers
fitz
Just kiddin steve!Ha! Heres the deal. I ain't no Bill Gates, but I still got a hankerin to build the real deal. I don't give a damn about how or what it takes to do it. But I HAVE to use what I got to start with. And this is what it is.
I bought this here house on a hill outside Coos Bay. Man, what a f...king view. And
on this property is a pole barn. The builder started it, but got.....lets say detained
And this here pole barn is pretty damn big. And tall. And it sits right on the edge of a 75' chasm. No kidding. The back poles are sitting on the edge. On HEAFTY concrete custom piers. Fat. Deep. Heavy duty. The poles are 14' high. The building is East to West long. North to South front to back.
There are 3 sets of 3 poles, with each set of 3 North to south poles supporting a 6 x 10' beam. End poles are braced to the beams, north to south. But no shear or bracing East to West. Looking at the front, resting on 2 sets of the post/beam assembly are 10 or so trusses,24" oc with an approx 25' span, x-braced between them, but 2 of the truss' have been braced East to West. The trusses have been sheithed with 1/2" ply and rolled comp. But here is the interesting thing. On the East end, they continued the roof pitch downward with 2x6 rafters down to another set of 3 poles/beam plate. This is also sheithed and the comp is old. What visually is interesting, is it sets up two big spaces, appropriately sized for studio, iso booths, and control room.
But gravity and wind have done its thing, and now it is starting to lean and rotate. It won't be long and this thing will fall. And that would be ashame to have $5k+ worth of already built roof be destroyed from lack of vision and indifference.
Here is my vision. Its my studio so I will save it. And this is how.
First off, the poles are only a temporary support device. BTW, it has an asphalt floor, a side building attatched to it, a mountain of fir tree branch's and ivy, and an eroding mountain side up to it. Ha!!! Not to mention the back wall plane looks straight down to a creek at 80 degee angle, and the east end drops 20" to 10" of run. Just like my driveway, which is asphalt and ends right in front of it. If that weren't enough, there is a woodpile and junk up the ass, 6' high and dumps eat you alive here.
OK, ok, I know. Bulldozer time. But noooooooooooooooooooooo! He has to make a friggin recording studio out of it. What a frigging moron!!!
Ha!! Ok, heres the immediate plan.... there is a 150' fir tree(Big John, which is right next to 200' Tall Paul) which will be an anchor to wrap a chain around. Which in turn I plan to connect 3 3/8" steel cables and 3 comealongs to. The plan is to have wood and steel temporary braces to fasten in place, untill I can cross brace between each set of East to West poles with the same type of cables and turnbuckles. These will be fastened to 1/2" steel eybolts at top and bottom of each pole. Outside perimeter only. This will have to last through the winter. That gives me and you time to PLAN. The trick is to design a perimeter and shear wall that will rest on foundation footing poured between the piers. Its how to get them in place, while at the same time, removing the poles(or maybe not!) Well, you get the picture. Ha!!! Got my hardhat, gloves, various tools and maybe, with a bit of luck I can stabilize this piece of shit without killing myself. I will have some help, and I'll look at the whole thing 10 times before I do it. And of course, listen to your advice. This is a MOFO scary proposition, as I'm not accoustomed to structural delima's. And compared to this little ole body of mine, this is Goliath. Ha!
Well, as soon as I get my Hosting space squared away, I'll post some pics, and CAD layouts and my so-called PROPOSED solution in the next day or so. Ha! Well, I never said I was a structural engineer Steve. Michael, where are you when I need ya!! Knightfly, thanks for the offer of help, as I can use all the help I can get.
.......whats that dear? Well crap, the kitchen sink faucet just broke. Just put in a new water heater yesterday cause the damn thing was rotton. AND......and and;....&$%#)%*&@%_+)((&&%^@^&&*^*&
ARRRGGGGGGGGGARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
OLD HOUSES ARE FU............oops,..yes dear, its beatiful. You what. Discovered old Fir flooring under the linoleum? and you want to what? Refinish them? Yes dear, we can do that. Oh lord..
Good grief.Cheers
fitz
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