POD Lovers...

[WWillis]

If you choose to limit yourself that's fine, but understand there is a place for effects. Maybe not in your music, but that's your choice. The "purity" argument is kind of silly, I'd argue then that to be pure there is no room for electricity and amplified sound, since it colors the tone of the instrument being played. How ridiculous does that sound? The great thing about music is that it is whatever you make of it, and whatever inspires you. Live performance is an entirely different animal than the studio, where the only "rules" are defined by your imagination and technical limitations. To follow your logic guhlenn, you'd be against overdubbing and a lot of the techniques bands/artists use to get flexible, easy to manipulate mixes.

There is no right or wrong way ... guitar playing wasn't "meant" to be anything other than a tool for an artist to create with, whether that is through a Marshall stack dialed up to 11, or a direct box patched into a P.A. system, or listened to through a cheesy effects processor, or whatever. I don't like a lot of the music out on the market, but you know what? Obviously someone else does because it sells. I just listen to what I like and don't worry about the rest.

 

[guhlenn]

i wasn't starting a riot here!

You didn't hear me say " Noone should use digital effects anymore"

i don't care, do what you like. I just think your tone will suck when using Zoom or whatever crap is outhere... but knock yourself out, go ahead.

Why do people always get offended when i say that I (notice the I ; that means i'm talking bout me...*sigh*) don't like the sound digital effects give me? I use (well analog but n-i-way) distortion like hell. i even use reverb as stated previously.

And if you did follow my logic you wouldn't have posted cause i stated it (the pod) seemed more for an engineer then a guitarplayer. This means that in the studio the pod might be fine, it just doesn't seem to fit in a live situation (which i'm usually in). It also DIDN'T rule out the possibility of some liking the thing for live situations.

So WTF are you saying? it seems that you need to justify the fact that you do use effects... well you don't. Keep the purist argument it is total crap i never said i am or wanted to be a purist.

Always the same thing when i post something about not liking effects; some ignorant fool gives me the "you use distortion too" argument. Read my f*cking post better...

Guhlenn

 

[robert jaybird]

WOW!!
Guhlenn, on the neophyte scale between 1 and 10 you get an 8 1/2. First of all lots of people use the pod live. Secondly becasue its used in the studio doesnt mean its just for engineers. As a guitarist I want good tones as much as anybody. In fact my philosophy towards tone is "by any means necessary".

By this view of mine I take tools like the pod and my amp and experiment till I get what I want. What ive found is that in an Ideal situation where you have a good room and a gem of and amp, the amp is still the way to go. The fact is most dont have the big room, and while we all think our amps are the best, when you lay it onto the h.d. and actually listen it falls short. So, a solution thats been devised is DIRECT RECORDING wich takes the idyosyncracies of all these shifting variables out of the equasion. What this means is that with some of these tools, the pod not necessarily being the best, used properly you will actually get better results.

The idea of devices for direct recording goes back way before the pod, and is not some plot by engineers, as guitarists willingly use it if they end up with a better sound. 8 out of ten guitarists set ups come up short in the studio, so then the choice is A: stick with the flawed idea that all the tones you love are from miced amps and end up with crappy tone, or b: EXPERIMENT until you get something that sounds good to your tastes.

In my experimentation I have found it best to not rely on one technique solely. And when I do use the pod I dont just plug straight in, I mess with it combining other equipment.Another tool wich ive said a zillion times already is a speasker simulator that lets you use your amp diorect. I use any tool that will work. Imho, when the pod is used intelligently its a godsend.Still, up against my amp it isnt quite there yet.

If you dont like the pod theres SO much other stuff out there that sounds great for direct recording. the sans amp ps-1, yamaha dg, mesa boogie forula pre amp, hughs and kettner tubeman, palmer speaker simulator/power attenuaters etc etc etc. Those combined with different eq's compression, mics, pre amps, efx etc etc and of course amps help. It can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be.

 

[guhlenn]

what's a neophyte? a dutch hardcore gabber band was called that way ....


Ok now for the last time: i do not disapprove of whatever equipment your using.

i like my amps sound most.

why do you think of me as being against all forms of guitar playing and or recording except the tradional miced amp way????? this is not true by a long shot.

i don't get it... do i HAVE TO experiment with amps effects di's and speaker simulators???

is it impossible for me to just like my JCM2000 cranked and a sm57 in front of it? do i have to buy a POD? and believe me i tried more equipment then you think. from DI's to effects and recording preamps, attenuators and more...

is it so unbelieveable that i like my amp dry the most?

seeing most reactions it is...

ah well, greetz guhlenn

and BTW: my setup gives me good tone in a recording situation, at least to my taste. Wasn't that the fact why i bought my amp? to get the tone i want? OH yeah, that's right...

 

[virtual.ray]

RP200

I just got a Digitech RP200 for $130 and I think it sounds damn good.I mention this 'cause it's got a pedal on it so you don't have to spend any more money to use it live,unlike some other products...

 

[Roel]

Re: Here's what I can offer

Take a piano for another example. 99.9% of all pop piano recorded today are from a synth of some sort. But does a synth through a P.A. sound as good as a full size grand? No way. Can you tell the difference between a full size grand on tape and a synth piano on tape in a mix. No. The synth is good enough.

Aouch. Now you're hurting me. I've been playing a digital piano for 3 years now, because that was my idea too. But with a decent pianoplayer on a decent piano and some or what piano-oriented music, you CAN hear the difference. The piano's tone isn't static. Different playing styles will sound different on a real piano. Samples always sound the same. These IS a difference. Believe me. I've been hating myself for 2 years now, because I didn't by a real piano, and my parents won't let me put one in their house anymore... And this counts for recording too.

However, it does need a good pianoplayer to hear it and a better one to allow it to be heard.

You're right.