Please comment on our new song

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giraffe said:
radio

the bass seems a little thin to me, but take that for what it's worth, i like bass.

actually, the entire thing is just a touch on the thin side, some of the clean gits are really middy. (not muddy, middy)

vox could be a little bigger, warmer (not to be confused with louder)

direct in acu with a piazo (spelling) pickup??? not a big fan of that sound.
it's just a bit to mid heavy for me, you just need some good amps mostly.
it's good, and clear, and well written.
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So you think perhaps we should remove some HF from the vocs to make them "warmer"? It's been my experience that when people say "warm" they mean subdued HF. I agree that in general the mix is on the anemic side, but I think it's more an issue with the OH mics. I've got to be careful adding LF and MF to them because they start to sound boxy. I'll see what we can do tonight though.

You've got good ears, 'Raffe.

-Casey
 
giraffe said:
direct in acu with a piazo (spelling) pickup??? not a big fan of that sound.
it's just a bit to mid heavy for me, you just need some good amps mostly.
it's good, and clear, and well written.
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Thanks for the input.

Just thought you should know that every guitar part on the entire song was done on a Gibson SG through a Guitar POD-XT. It's Supercreep's guit, but if I recall aright, it's sporting a couple of humbuckers.

I've got a good idea about how to warm up the vox a bit. We'll see. . .
 
d(-_-)b-Phones said:
I would like to know how you got that radio effect on the vocal at the start.
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We just eq'd the life out of the vocal until it sounded really lo-fi.
 
Supercreep said:
So you think perhaps we should remove some HF from the vocs to make them "warmer"?
-Casey
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this would be superhard to correct with eq, but i'd personally be more about cutting the mid-high-mid region (maby2-5K....guessing) then adding lows or lower mids. the bass may well be thare to be found, if you dig a little you may expose whats thare as opposed to adding more. (genral statement)

maby...... :D these are hap-hazard guesses at best.

i don't think you should cut any high's (vox)

i'd really be about hearing your voice on a good dynamic, as opposed to a condenser.

do you have any to try it on?
 
Timothy Lawler said:
About your mic's... just noticed in the orig post that you've changed mic's after doing this tune. Saw that this song used C1000's, V67G, and 57's. Pretty amazing sound you're getting with that gear. What did you replace the AKG and MXL mic's with? And what's your recording space like - dimensions, treatment and such? Sorry for the nosiness.

Tim
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I just wanted be clear about this since you were interested:

It was the instrument tracks that were done with the 'old' mics and pres. When we did the vox months later, they were done with the 'new' mics and pres, which is what we still have.

We've played with drum OH mic placement with every recording and so far I think this is the worst sounding one we got. After doing a couple of drum takes with the new stuff, this one really started to sound disappointing. Anyway. . .
 
giraffe said:
this would be superhard to correct with eq, but i'd personally be more about cutting the mid-high-mid region (maby2-5K....guessing) then adding lows or lower mids. the bass may well be thare to be found, if you dig a little you may expose whats thare as opposed to adding more. (genral statement)

maby...... :D these are hap-hazard guesses at best.

i don't think you should cut any high's (vox)

i'd really be about hearing your voice on a good dynamic, as opposed to a condenser.

do you have any to try it on?
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Not besides the ubiquitous sm57 and 58.
 
Send me some talent

Super Tramp meets Yes meets Rush! I'm not a bass player but I love the tone on this.
During the chorus parts this thing seems to get a little thin to my ears...maybe that's what you intended? I keep wanting to hear the tone of the main guitar along with the thinner one..make any sense? :D , I thought not :p . Man this is a great tune guy's...vocals are killer! I'll have to catch some more of your tunes..thanks.
 
Wow, that was really great, along with Freshears comments about Super Tramp meets Rush, it also had a Steve miller playfulness to it. A happy song!!
Congrats on it!!!

LOVED THE BASS!
 
I've gotten so used to the first version I'll have to listen a while to know what I think of the changes. I can say already though that I miss the low end of the synth sound that's at the intro of version 1, even though I griped about it, and the sound effect at the intro to version 2 hits me as more of an electrical transformer buzz than radio turning-the-dial static. I like hearing the bass more but have to listen a couple times... because the first version was pretty damn good.

Tim
 
true-eurt said:
Wow, that was really great, along with Freshears comments about Super Tramp meets Rush, it also had a Steve miller playfulness to it. A happy song!!
Congrats on it!!!

LOVED THE BASS!
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Thanks, True... As Incanus pointed out earlier, the story line is a little bizzare. Here are the lyrics, should you care...

Four hundred fourteen thousand lights up in the sky
the noise on the radio is a sound from times gone by;
The sound that comes from underground is in your head
the vivid violent dreams at night that wake you in your bed

Pull yourself together now and put your good book down;
an upright time a violent ride you find yourself on now
but you don't have to look around to tear the blindfold from your head
so turn the dial and listen to the voices of the dead

And when the sun goes down
no, you're never alone - but there isn't a soul around
when the sun goes down
and you're humming a song and you don't recognize the sound

Four hundred fourteen thousand lights up in the sky
suspended cold unblinking moon, the staring blood-red eye
the dewdrop slides along a razor blade of grass
encapsulated in the sound of a breaking glass

And when you fall asleep
are you feeling the thoughts of the old ones, buried deep?
and are they buried deep?
are they waking you up with a tear stain across your cheek?

Make your heart a stone and tie the blindfold on;
take a swimmer's breath and step into the void
seeking to destroy this think you've come to love it
bittersweet - you've come to name the nameless, face the faceless
and turn the final winding-sheet

And when you fall asleep
are you feeling the thoughts of the old ones, buried deep?
and are they buried deep?
are they waking you up with a tear stain across your cheek?
Rolling down your cheek
it's an alien feeling, as if you were incomplete
and do you fall asleep
with a vision of a muddy boot and a bloodstained sheet.....
 
Timothy Lawler said:
I've gotten so used to the first version I'll have to listen a while to know what I think of the changes. I can say already though that I miss the low end of the synth sound that's at the intro of version 1, even though I griped about it, and the sound effect at the intro to version 2 hits me as more of an electrical transformer buzz than radio turning-the-dial static. I like hearing the bass more but have to listen a couple times... because the first version was pretty damn good.

Tim
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I think I like the earlier version of the intro too. Maybe I can come up with a hybrid or something. Steve and I will throw this up again Sunday, so let us know before then if you have any ideas. (Applies to anyone who cares).

Thanks for all your input folks - we really appreciate it.

-Casey
 
I didn't listen to the 1st version. Guess I should have, but puter has been giving me fits in slow downloads, and something about time has expired???? So I haven't been listening as much as I like to these tunes.

Hey, those lyrics are brilliant!!!
 
true-eurt said:
I didn't listen to the 1st version. Guess I should have, but puter has been giving me fits in slow downloads, and something about time has expired???? So I haven't been listening as much as I like to these tunes.

Hey, those lyrics are brilliant!!!
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True, are you using dialup? If so, you probably need to change a setting in your modem control, so it won't time-out.
Ed
 
OK Casey and Steve, FWIW here's my take...

I like version 1 better. I like hearing more of the bass in v2 but think the mix gets just a little out of balance that way. In version 2 is the bass just hotter, or is the EQ changed to give more midrange harmonics? Maybe the bass could be accentuated more in v1 without being actually louder by having more of the overtones that give it clarity. IMO the vocals, bass & drums make the sound. The gtrs are good in a solid filling-in kind of way but the bass is charismatic.

In listening to the two versions I think you're maybe caught in a dilemma of trying to exceed the potential of the gear used... and EQ and such can only do so much before you butt up against the law of diminishing returns. 5 yrs from now when you've got U87s, Schoeps SDC's, and ribbon mic's coming out your ears you won't have that problem... bet you'll rarely touch the EQ.

At the intro what I imagine as fitting best is a clear slow dial-turning static sound above the original low end synth sound. ...and the radio static fades out in the first line of the lyrics... but the low end synth stays until the bass gtr comes in.

But if you just stick with version 1, you've still got a winner.

Tim
 
Dogman said:
True, are you using dialup? If so, you probably need to change a setting in your modem control, so it won't time-out.
Ed
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Yes, I am DOG. How do I do that?
 
Thank you, everyone, for listening and commenting--this has turned out to be a cool thread!

I think I got used to the first intro as well--maybe we can come up with a hybrid mix as Casey suggested that might work.
We didn't turn up the Bass Guitar, we just gave the overall mix a frequency boost that (I can't remeber exactly) was somewhere in the 60-85 range of about 1.2 db. Not much really, but it did seem to bring the bass guitar out a bit more.
We changed the vocal sound too. I think that that, at least, was an improvement.
The chorus guitars are supposed to be a jangley sort of thing. It was played on the highest 2-3 strings very close to the bridge. And it was triple layered.
I see it mostly as a bass and drums kind of song.

Now I'm getting hungry. Bye!
 
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