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Why isn't brass used more for pickguards? Wouldn't it help with sustain?

Does anyone know where I can find drawings of pickguards in a CAD form?

I'd like to try making my own; specifically I'm looking for a P-Bass pattern.

Thanks
 
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montage said:
Why isn't brass used more for pickguards? Wouldn't it help with sustain?

Does anyone know where I can find drawings of pickguards in a CAD form?

I'd like to try making my own; specifically I'm looking for a P-Bass pattern.

Thanks

Can't you just take yours off and trace it? Or check EBay for a used one cheap to use as a template.. I searched the net extensively and only found acoustic pickguard templates..

Good luck..
 
I am making brass and stainless steel pickguards now on cnc mills. ;)
 
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dragonworks said:
I am making brass and stainless steel pickguards now on cnc mills. ;)

I would think the only downside to brass is the tarnish factor and steel will be shmeared up with fingerprints all the time..
 
gvarko said:
I would think the only downside to brass is the tarnish factor and steel will be shmeared up with fingerprints all the time..
there is a process called clearcoating that will remedy those problems.
 
I am about to machine an engraved set for my mexi strat out of stainless steel.
Pickguard, backplate and neckplate, all with nice engravings. Then I will send them out for clearcoating. You can also bead blast and get a real nice satin finish, then send out for clear coat. Aluminum can be hardcoated just about any color and what it is is oxidation of the first few thounsandths of material and it is tougher than stainless. Most of your sandpaper is Aluminum Oxide imbedded.
 
Do you have an approximate cost for what you're doing? Just curious...
 
A brass pickguard will have nothing to do with sustain. It WILL, though, make your guitar alot heavier. For some guitars, the last thing you need is more weight.

They look cool on some guitars though.

H2H
 
I would agree...

Hard2Hear said:
It WILL, though, make your guitar alot heavier. For some guitars, the last thing you need is more weight.

I have a Traben Bass and the bridge is a massive flame piece made from Bell Brass.. That does help the sustain IMO as a bridge, but it does weigh a ton.. A 3 1/2" wide strap has helped..
 
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Hard2Hear said:
A brass pickguard will have nothing to do with sustain.

Bell Brass? Do you think it would vibrate more than the wood body and perhaps add some sustain?
 
I understand brass used for bridges, but I was wondering if you increased the mass of the instrument by using a brass pickguard would it help at all.
 
You know that foil that comes in cigarette packs? You ever peeled it off and rubbed it onto something? It sticks well to hard surfaces. I did that to my pickguard--on teh seams it cracks and gets all funky. Kinda neat. Not really my thing since I quit that metal band, but for metal band guitarists, it looks pretty cool.
 
gvarko said:
Bell Brass? Do you think it would vibrate more than the wood body and perhaps add some sustain?


No. Not at all. The vibration of the wood in the guitar takes away from the vibration of the strings. We're talking electric guitars here, and the only thing pickups pick up is magnetix flux. They're not microphones, they're magnets. When a guitar's density is built so that it resonates at harmonic frequencies with the strings it can affect the guitars tone. But simply adding a random piece of metal is not going to increase sustain for any reason.

Read some of the things Les Paul has written about electric guitar construction. You'd find it very interesting.

H2H
 
Hard2Hear said:
The vibration of the wood in the guitar takes away from the vibration of the strings. ... When a guitar's density is built so that it resonates at harmonic frequencies with the strings it can affect the guitars tone. But simply adding a random piece of metal is not going to increase sustain for any reason.H2H

Thanks for the explanation, that cleared it up for me.
 
Hard2Hear said:
They're not microphones, they're magnets.
H2H

Au contraire, I had some really badly wound pickups (rather, still HAVE them. . .) that were so microphonic that I could scream into the pickups and pretend I was playing with my teeth Hendrix-style. But that's a bad thing. GOOD pickups are not microphones. :o
 
montage said:
Do you have an approximate cost for what you're doing? Just curious...

If I was to go out and pay for materials and machine time and design and programming etc, for just one set, pickguard, backplate, neck plate, 304 stainless steel, custom engraved, would be a minimum of a thousand dollars.
I will break it down, material-25 dollars, machine set up for first time run fixture making and fixture design, 8 hrs at 60 to 100 an hour depending on the shop, Programming, 2 hours, drawing and design which can get time consuming so lets say 10 hrs at the most at about the same prices, (alot of the time, alot of this time is absorbed by the shop).
Lets say 2 hrs run time at the most at the same prices. All secondary work, lets say 2 hrs at the same cost, then clearcoating, don't know the cost, allways slip it in with the shop work, it doesn't cost them anymore, they pay a flat fee per x amount.
So you can see at first the cost is very high, but now the programs are made the design and fixtures are all done etc. Once the bugs are worked out I would say the run time would drop down to an hour at the most so the cost comes down significantly.
Now of course where guitar companies get their pickguards I don't know but they are stamped out probably at about 1 per second. Or they are molded.
They probably stamp a big sheet and make alot in one shot.

Right now I am thinking of making five sets for a strat and seeing what I can get for them on ebay, the only outlay I may have for these is the clearcoating. Everything else is a company perk.
I am making a pickguard out of brass for a tele and also a back plate for it.

Of course you could stamp out the stainless steel and brass ones also but you must first build a punch and die and that is very costly. Then if you wanted engraving that would have to be an add on.

You can now trace a pickguard on paper, scan it, import it into a cadcam package but it will not be machine ready. You will have to go in and do a condsiderable amount of cleanup to get it ready for programming, then custom engraving has to be added so there is either drawing or importing more files, you can get designs machine ready but you sitll have to posistion them correctly, arrange, pick the ones out you want to begin with, it can all get very time consuming. And drawing freehand in a cadcam package is next to impossible.
You would be suprised what you can do with a thin piece of brass, a drill . some good files, sand paper,and a good dremel tool or digrinder. If you just got a piece of brass one sixteenth inch thick, traced you pickguard on it, and went at it with the tools above with some patience you could probably make a nice pickguard. Brass cuts pretty easy :D
 
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