Pick Up Notes in Pro Audio 9 Notation

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One of my first REAL Pro Audio 9 experiences is putting my theory project into the notation section of PA9. But I have a problem. My first note of the melody is C4. It starts on the fourth beat before the first measure. I could move it up a measure, but then my piece has a 3-beat silence before it begins. Not a big problem, but i was up for 3 hours messing around with PA9 trying to get a pick-up note going. Anybody out there got a shortcut i could bum? Thanks.
 
Not a big problem, but i was up for 3 hours messing around with PA9 trying to get a pick-up note going. Anybody out there got a shortcut i could bum? Thanks.
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Excuse me, I didn't get your question clearly, but do you use metronome?

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Jaymz
 
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a lot of times in sheet music, say 4/4 time, there is a quarter before the first measure. i don't want to insult you, but metronome doesn't really matter (i don't think) in the notation, just a guide for you to listen and practice. am i right, or am i missing something?
 
It doesn't matter on the sheet, but it matters on recording unless you "draw" the first note on the staff view. When you said you can move it to measure two, then I thought you're heading right direction here. If you don't want the extra three beats in the beginning, then simply set the first measure to 1/4, measure 2 and the rest can be set to 4/4. Therefore, you will have only one beat on measure one and four beats on the rest measures. Bear with me, I'm trying to help, and it's 2AM down here... :)

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Jaymz
 
Arm, Ready, RECORD!!!!!!!!!!

i'm with u buddy, i just don't know how to do that, i'm new to any professional audio software, so i'm lost.which menus or icons do i click on to get this result.
 
I'm not @ my DAW now, but if I'm not mistaken, it must be on Insert menu, then select "meter/key change" or something. You need to specify "At measure" field. Insert measure 1, time signature 1/4. Move to measure 2, re-insert time sign using same menu, this time, insert 4/4 at measure 2. The rest of measures will have 4/4, while the first measure will be 1/4. Hope it helps...

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Jaymz
 
A track in Cakewalk starts at 1:01:000. From this time, beat and measure counting start in the track "grid." I don't believe there's any facility for setting this start point arbitrarily. That is, if your first note is a quarter-note pick-up on 4, the only way to correctly represent this in the Cakewalk notation window is for it to start at 1:4:000, and you will always get the whole otherwise-empty bar on the staff. You can't call it 0:3:000 and have measure 1, beat one

As a notation tool, Cakewalk is very limited, and it's not much better in SONAR, at least thru version 2.2.
 
i see the light

thank you everybody for helping me solve this mammoth problem, especially james, your last reply helped and now i see the light. AlChuck you are very right about PA9 being limited notation-wise, but it works and with the right messing around, anything is possible.
 
Yes, James nailed it.

And while PA9 doesn't produce the best music to read, just try to create a song in 7/8 meter in any but the most expensive variations of Finale...
 
AlChuck you are very right about PA9 being limited notation-wise, but it works and with the right messing around, anything is possible.
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Anything? Not with Cakewalk. You can't produce even a simple lead sheet that doesn't have compromises, like no double bar line to mark endings, or A sections that repeat twice. Hand a Cakewalk-generated sheet out to professional musicians and they'll give you a very dirty look.

If you're serious about printing out scores, you really do need something dedicated to the task, like Finala and Sibelius (though Band In A Box can actually make decent Real Book-type lead sheets if you try hard enough).
 
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