Pick my vocal mic

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Which vocal mic should I buy for my budget studio?

  • CAD GXL3000 (mulit patern)

    Votes: 9 42.9%
  • AT 2020

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • MXL 990

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • MXL v63M

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • other mic in this range (please specify)

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
nate_dennis

nate_dennis

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Ok, so I know we had the "$50" mic poll (which was great BTW) but now I need some additional help. I'm about to buy some gear and I'm really on a budget. So I've narrowed my vocal mic search down to these four . . . let me know what you think. (You can offer additional options too . . . )

Audio Technica AT2020
CAD GXL3000
MXL v63M
MXL 990


Thanks for all your help guys!!!
 
You might also consider the CAD M177. It's about $20 more than the GXL3000 and only single pattern, but it might be a better choice for vocals; the response curve plot looks a good bit smoother at the top end and the bass might be a little less emphasized.

GXL3000 (in cardioid mode)
GXL3000Cardioid.gif


M177
M177.gif


Of course, if you can squeeze your pocketbook enough for an M179, you'd have the best of both worlds (smoother response and multiple patterns). Ooh, Front End Audio has the M179 for only $150. :)

M179 (in cardioid mode)
M179Cardioid.gif
 
I can't vote, because I don't know all of those, and I can think of a bunch of unlisted ones that would be interesting, but if I had a not-vote, it would be for the 990.
 
Which unlisted ones would you reccomend antichef? Thanks for the input guys!
 
Just to toss a couple more ideas in the midst...:D

V67G
AT3035
 
Which unlisted ones would you reccomend antichef? Thanks for the input guys!
Do you have any samples of your singing? I take it you're trying to stay below $150 or so? Are you willing to buy a used mic? (I know you want to cut to the chase, but this info would help) -- also realize that I'm pretty gosh-darned far from being an expert.
 
used is just fine . . . i'm buying a lot of my gear used. I'd like to stay at $100 or less but I could probably squeeze and extra $50. A sample of my music is located on my myspace page . . .

myspace.com/natedennismusic

(i think that's the URL) if not, (and I know this may be a little work) you can search "Nate Dennis" and I'm the one with the "Monica Lewinski" pin for a picture.

I appreciate all of your input.
 
cool songs! (and funny button :) )

I've got three Oktava MK-319s - each of which I bought used for well inside your budget. Two of them were in good shape, and I bet would sound great with your voice, especially after I modded them a little (removed the plastic disk on the diaphragm and pulled out the inner layer of grill mesh - very easy to do with needle nose pliers and either wire cutters or small screwdriver) - the third (actually the first one I bought) was awful, but I sent it to Oktavamod (exceeding the budget), and it's awesome now. Anyway, QC isn't the best on these, but if you're a risk taker, they're worth considering, and if you get a good one, I bet you'll be very happy with it.

Do you have a Shure SM57? If so, it'll take some time and a soldering iron, but you could order a T58 transformer from TAB Funkenwerk (inside your budget) and swap out the stock transformer. Probably also works with a SM58. I've got a mic like that, and I really like it for vocals -- my guess is a good 319 would be a little better with your voice, though.

If you can find an old Electrovoice RE-16 or RE-15, you should probably pick it up. The bass response won't be as good (I *think*) and bass response seems like it would be important to you, but you can pick up some proximity effect if you get closer to the mic. I have an RE-10 that I got for $15, and I like it -- I'd recommend the RE-10 or RE-11 (at that price, just buy it, of course), but I understand that they're RE-15s and RE-16s that failed the qualifying exams for frequency response, so I imagine they're more of a mixed bag, so you should try them out if you can.

Again, I don't know the other mics you mentioned, but stay away from the 990 - I'm more sure of that now than I was before.
 
cool songs! (and funny button :) )

Thanks!!!

Nope! I don't have any mics right now, starting from scratch. I'll look into the Oktavas and the EVs you mentioned. Thanks for the info!!
 
Just thought I'd add a little bit of discussion about the frequency response of mics since I posted these here.

A frequency response curve is a 2-dimensional representation of how a mic responds to various musical pitches (and beyond). The X axis (from left to right) represents frequency going from low to high. The Y axis (vertical) represents how loud the output of the mic would be if that frequency were played acoustically through the air at a known volume. So in effect, if the curve is high at a particular frequency, it means that the mic is more sensitive at that pitch; if it is low, it is less sensitive at that frequency.

A theoretically ideal (but not necessarily practically ideal) mic would be a straight line. In practice, the ideal mic depends on the instrument or voice. Having bumps and dips in certain places can accentuate or diminish certain aspects of the source that may make it more or less pleasant.

To give you an idea of what the frequencies actually mean, the bottom A on a piano is just shy of 30 Hz. The top note on a piano is just shy of 4.2kHz. That's for the fundamental tone, though.

The harmonics of any instrument or voice go up from the fundamental, so a 4kHz piano will have audible overtones at about 8.4kHz and 16.8 kHz (that would be a C the octave above the piano, and the G an octave above that). Your ear perceives those frequencies as being part of what makes a piano sound like a piano and not, for example, a guitar.

For example, because it is a struck stringed instrument, the harmonic series on a piano becomes progressively sharp at higher harmonics. The exact amount of this inharmonicity depends primarily on the length of the strings. This is true to a lesser degree even for guitar. (Oddly enough, this does not occur for bowed strings, nor for brass/woodwinds.)

Okay, going way off track here. The point is that these subtle differences in the overtone series give each instrument its unique character. For example, the clarinet has predominantly the even harmonics (by the musical definition) while the saxophone emphasizes the odd harmonics, resulting in a more complex tone. In fact, the clarinet as an instrument cannot play the odd harmonics (again, by the musical definition).

Note that I said "by the musical definition". This is because musicians and mathematicians have the definition of even and odd backwards. For musicians, the fundamental is not considered a harmonic. It's the fundamental, and the octave above that is the first harmonic. For mathematicians, they go based on multiples of the fundamental frequency, so the first harmonic is "fundamental x 1" (the fundamental), the second harmonic is "fundamental x 2" (which musicians would call the first harmonic), etc. You can see why this is confusing. This also means that if you read any text on the subject, they will likely use the mathematical version, but I'm using the musical version here because it is more understandable (not that any of this is understandable :D).

This is all only for closed tube instruments like clarinet or sax. Then, you have to take into account the whole difference between a closed tube (almost all wind instruments) and an open tube (pretty much the flute, piccolo, pan flute, and other similar instruments). Open tubes allow all the harmonics to be present, but emphasizes lower order harmonics. They also have a fundamental that is an octave higher than with a closed tube for a given length of tubing, though that's really more of an aside.

Again, going off track a bit, my apologies. The point is that those harmonics make the tone quality of an instrument or voice what it is.

Vocals are even more interesting. The vocal tract behaves like a closed tube resonator. Unlike instruments, however, it is very nonuniform---that is, it has all sorts of curves and twists that alter the resulting sound. It also has additional closed resonator cavities such as the sinuses that alter the sound in various ways.

And, of course, as you raise and lower the soft palate, you change the character of the sound significantly. You also are slightly changing the effective length of the tube, IIRC. Since the pitch is defined by the vocal cord tension and not the tube length (as it would be in wind instruments), this results in changes to which overtones are emphasized.

As a result of these complexities in the shape of this tube, the voice has very nonstandard frequency ranges in which overtones are emphasized significantly. These are referred to as formant regions.

Just to be clear, instruments have formants as well, but you'll hear it talked about a lot more in the context of voice because the formants change so much from one moment to the next depending on the sound being sung and are not entirely driven by the pitch being sung.

Formants of instruments
http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jmccarty/formant.htm

Formants of voice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formant

The point is that fricative sounds (e.g. the letters "s", "f", etc.) produce frequencies that have nothing whatsoever to do with the pitch being sung at the time. These sounds extend outside the human hearing range (above 22 kHz). This is one reason that people with high frequency hearing loss often have trouble understanding consonants (and similarly, people trying to do crossword puzzles over cell phones). Of course, the information above about 10 or 12 kHz is not strictly necessary, but it does improve understandability.

So the very top end mainly has an impact on fricative consonant sounds, cymbals, etc. A presence peak in the 2-5 kHz range can enhance understanding by making these consonants cut through the mix better.

A word of caution is in order, however. If you go too far in this range, you will get a very painfully harsh quality to the sound because certain vowel sounds have formant regions up in that region.

Also, some microphone circuits end up emphasizing too much of certain harmonics, resulting in a harsh quality to the sound. I find that many mics with a really uneven high frequency response also exhibit this characteristic. They also tend to really make sibilance (the sound of those fricatives I mentioned) stick out like a sore thumb. :)

I've probably massively overloaded you and everyone else who reads this thread, but hopefully that will shed some light on what these graphs mean as far as what the mics should sound like. I'll leave with some lists of interesting frequencies for voice:

80-1100 Hz - fundamental pitches of speech or singing.

200-1000 Hz - first formants of vowel sounds.
800-1500 Hz - round vowel second formants (ah, oh, oo, aw, and so on).
1400-2500 Hz - non-round vowel second formants (ee, eh, a as in apple).

50-8000 Hz - plosive sounds (p, b, t, and so on).
200 -22,000 Hz - fricative consonants (s, f, wh, sh, and so on).
 
WOW Thanks so much for all of the inormation. That's great!! I feel like I just took a class on microphones!!
 
As long as I'm seeing this thread bumped by poll results, I figure I might as well add another comment. The AT2020 seems to have gotten more votes right now, but it's not really a vocal mic. It's a SDC (well, MDC). I'd suggest that for acoustic guitar, but probably not for vocals. It's just a little too precise sounding. Ditto for the MXL 990 for the same reason.

I'm no saying they aren't usable---a lot of folks do use both the 990 and the 2020 for vocals---but I'd probably steer you towards a larger capsule if your main purpose is vocals. I'd go for something with a capsule that's at least an inch... or a ribbon. Ribbons are always fun if your preamp is clean enough. :)
 
I had the CAD GXL3000 and is a really good mic. I hate myself for selling it. You wont regret buying it, only selling it. :D
 
As long as I'm seeing this thread bumped by poll results, I figure I might as well add another comment. The AT2020 seems to have gotten more votes right now, but it's not really a vocal mic. It's a SDC (well, MDC). I'd suggest that for acoustic guitar, but probably not for vocals. It's just a little too precise sounding. Ditto for the MXL 990 for the same reason.

I'm no saying they aren't usable---a lot of folks do use both the 990 and the 2020 for vocals---but I'd probably steer you towards a larger capsule if your main purpose is vocals. I'd go for something with a capsule that's at least an inch... or a ribbon. Ribbons are always fun if your preamp is clean enough. :)

while this is entirely correct, I must say that I've recorded many singers with a sdc and good pop screen with amazing success, often better success than with a ldc or any other type of mic that is traditionally well suited to vocal recording. In particular I've had lots of success on female vocal with a sdc.

and I've used the 2020 on vocal recording with excellent results.

But yes, it's isn't a stereotypical thing to use a sdc on vocals. I prefer to use the best sounding mic, not the most obvious mic though. experimentation is great, but also knowing your gear. the only way to learn how something works on a source is to try it.

I also write down personal notes about most successful gear experiments along the way... a good personal reference (and no I won't share it, it's personal views only, everyone should do the same thing for themselves imho).

Cheers,
Don
 
You might also consider the CAD M177. It's about $20 more than the GXL3000 and only single pattern, but it might be a better choice for vocals; the response curve plot looks a good bit smoother at the top end and the bass might be a little less emphasized.

GXL3000 (in cardioid mode)
GXL3000Cardioid.gif


M177
M177.gif


Of course, if you can squeeze your pocketbook enough for an M179, you'd have the best of both worlds (smoother response and multiple patterns). Ooh, Front End Audio has the M179 for only $150. :)

M179 (in cardioid mode)
M179Cardioid.gif


Do a search on Froogle. You can find the M179 for 150$. Not a bad price for a really super versatile mic with some nice sounds and multiple patterns.
 
How does the V63M ($80 with shockmount) compare to the MXL 992 ($109 with case and shockmount). The specs on the Marshall site are identical except that the 992 includes a 10db pad and low cut filter switches.
 
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