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Hi.
I want to start recording some music on a digital 8track, mostly piano, guitar, and vocals. Would a couple of shure 57 or 58's be fine for this? If so, what's the standard procedure for recording piano. Should it be done in stereo? Where to place the mics?

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piano - pair of Marshall mxl603's

acoustic guitar - pair of Marshall mxl603's

vocals - a sm57 will do in combo with a 603, or you can spring for a Marshall mxlv67
 
I agree with Gidge, a condenser mic is best on piano so that you capture all the overtones, especially on a grand piano.
 
Would it be bad to use a shure 57 and the mxl603 to record the piano, putting the shure down near the lower notes and the marshall near the higher ones? Or do they give pretty different sounds. Sorry if this is a stupid question.
 
Every time I have tried to record the same instrument with different mics I get *very* different sounds. I doubt that using the 603 and the 57 would give you a usable stereo piano sound. I'm not sure how that would sound in mono, but I think that it would sound kinda weird.

Take care,
Chris
 
Grand piano, or upright?

There are many different techniques, here's one:-

Grand: one (or two) PZMs taped to inside of lid

Upright: move piano about 18" out from wall, place 2 PZMs on wall, about four feet apart, at about half the height of the piano, centred on the middle of the soundboard.

and there are many others...

Good luck!

- Wil
 
Well, you have picked one of THE hardest instruments to record. I have a Boston 7'-2" Semi Concert Grand Piano that I record. Incidentally, there are numerous threads on this board about micing a piano. Do a search for some really great techniques.
I use 3 mics to record mine in this way:
Mics: 2 Neumann TLM 103's.
1 Shure SM 81
I place one of the TLM's about 6" above the bass strings and about 18" back from the pin block. The other TLM I place Above the treble strings approx. 2/3 of the way down the pin block. I situate it about 4" above the strings, and about 12" behind the pin block.
The Shure SM 81 I place at the tail of the grand, just above the rim. (Seems to catch some of the nuances and over tones.)
This technique seems to work really well for Classical Music.
Here's an example of a recording done using this technique:
http://artists2.iuma.com/site-bin/streammp3.m3u?190193

Other techniques may be more appropriate for other styles of music. For instance; I really don't want any hammer noise. It just doesn't seem appropriate for classical music. However; hammer noise may be desireable for rock or jazz styles.
Experiment, try a multitude of different techniques, keep a really good log sheet and write done what you did for each set-up, and find a ttechnique that works for you.
 
Devils advocate here...a very knowlegable person posted a clip a while back with a "real" mic and a sm58 mic'ing a piano and i rathered the sound of the 58.....im not saying that the 58 is the mic for the job, just that it is capable, in the right hands, of doing it.....

its not the wand, its the magician.....
 
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