Panning on the Bus

[Bulls Hit]

Just upgraded to GT3 which uses the Sonar 3 Audio engine. There are a lot more buses & subgroups available on this version, and the behaviour seems slightly different than the previous version.

Let's say I have a guitar track routed post fader to Aux 1 where there are some eq and delay effects. When I pan the guitar track hard left in the channel strip, unlike the old version, the panning is not being reflected in the bus, it's still coming out down the middle. How do I get it so the bus reflects the panning of the original track?

 

[mixsit]

You mean the track pan used to cause the effect on an aux to pan? I would not expect that to happen. Even 'post fader' usually comes off before the pan. (Although I actually have no clue how GT is set up.)

I wonder if we should set up some impromptu flow diagram training. Block diagrams are the key to all the routing features and options. This seems to come up allot.
Wayne

 

[dachay2tnr]

Just upgraded to GT3 which uses the Sonar 3 Audio engine. There are a lot more buses & subgroups available on this version, and the behaviour seems slightly different than the previous version.

Let's say I have a guitar track routed post fader to Aux 1 where there are some eq and delay effects. When I pan the guitar track hard left in the channel strip, unlike the old version, the panning is not being reflected in the bus, it's still coming out down the middle. How do I get it so the bus reflects the panning of the original track?

The Track has a separate pan control(s) for the Aux Bus(es). This allows you to pan the Bus Send differently than the track, which in many cases you might want to do. For example, I have seen suggestions that reverb should be panned differently so that the direct sound (dry) eminates from a different location than the reflected sound (wet), as it would in a real listening environment.

The pan control for the Bus is directly to the right of the Bus Send Level control on the FX tab for each Track.

BTW, are you sure you want to be using EQ on an Aux Bus? A bit unusual, since you are only affecting part of the signal.

 

[Bulls Hit]

Yeh the old version of GT would max out at 16 plugin effects. I had a half dozen guitars that needed a low cut so I sent them to the aux to conserve plugins. This new version has upped the limit to 32, so there's more room to move.


"The pan control for the Bus is directly to the right of the Bus Send Level control on the FX tab for each Track."

Yeah this is what I'm missing. See the attached screenshot. There don't appear to be a seperate bus pan control. The Aux bus itself has an input pan & output pan, though for the life of me I can't see the point in that. Why would you want to pan in left & out right?

 

[dachay2tnr]

"The pan control for the Bus is directly to the right of the Bus Send Level control on the FX tab for each Track."

Yeah this is what I'm missing. See the attached screenshot. There don't appear to be a seperate bus pan control.

I was speaking relative to Track View, rather than Console View.

Post a screen shot of your Track View with it set on the FX tab.

 

[Bulls Hit]

Maybe this FX tab is what's missing. There doesn't seem to be anything like that in this product...?

The Track or Edit view in GT3 is primarily used for setting envelopes, cutting & pasting etc, rather than bus assignments. Anyway, here it is

 

[dachay2tnr]

I guess I'm not going to be of much help to you here. I am not familiar with GT. I assumed the layout was similar to Sonar, but apparently not.

In Sonar, at the bottom of the Track View page are four tabs - All, Mix, FX, and I/O. I can't tell from the view you posted, but from your comments it appears that GT has a different layout.

Seems that there should be a way to pan the send. Maybe you can try the GT forum on the Cakewalk site.
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tt.asp?forumid=17

 

[Bulls Hit]

Thanks for checking it outt dachay. I've sent a note to the Cakewalk guys

 

[dachay2tnr]

Let us know the results. I'm curious myself.

It could be that GT just doesn't have this feature (which is kinda dumb, IMHO). However, I noticed that the GT Console View only shows one knob in the Aux Bus area (for Send Level, I presume), whereas in Sonar there are two knobs (Send Level and Pan).