Outboards (Compressors, pres. etc) vs. Computer Software

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Uad?

Hey does someone wanna let me in on what the devil a UAD card is? Better yet...I was going to buy a Soundblast Audigy 2 (because I have a 5.1 system and I wanted the firewire port)...But it sounds like there are cards more designed towards recording...Anyone wanna throw some model names and uses out to me? Thanks!
-Kevin
 
PS I'm heading for a Digi 001...So I really wouldn't need to buy an interface card like the M-Audio 2496 right?
 
The UAD-1 is a PCI card made to run VST or DX effects. It features models of some classic compressors like the 1176 and the LA-2A as well as channel strips, reverbs, etc. The theory is, since it has it's own card, it won't tax the host CPU like other plugins.

If you want a soundcard for recording purposes there are alot out there. Figure out how many tracks you want to record and then go from there. M-Audio, Digidesign, RME, and Echo are good places to start. Google them and explore their sites, they have alot of info.

Personally I'm using a Digi002 which has 8 analog i/o. The reason I chose the Pro Tools route is I don't mix myself, I take it to a pro studio and Pro Tools is the industry standard right now. If you're just starting out and not recording drums, I'd check into the M-Box.
 
Wolfman140 said:
PS I'm heading for a Digi 001...So I really wouldn't need to buy an interface card like the M-Audio 2496 right?

Just saw this.....

No, the Digi001 has it's own converters already. Why are you going that route? The 001 is really inferior to what you can get today, especially in the preamps.
 
Digi 001

I'm 001ing it mainly because I'm a poor college student, and a drummer so I most definately want to record drums. Otherwise I would've went the Mbox route except I heard the USB connection is very slow. I was told the 001 has the same two Focusrite pres as the Mbox plus the other 6 ins. The 001 is compatible with my PC and w/ 6.4LE...I know it can't work on G5 so that's why they are turning away from it...But I figure when I'm rich enough to get a G5...I'll be rich enough to get a new interface. Until then I figured an 001 on my PC, with a small mixing board, maybe an M-Audio mic preamp, and some plugins would be fine for me. Is this a bad idea? The 001s are running for only about $500 or less on Ebay...So I figured for the additional inputs it'd be worth the other $100 over the M-Box.
-Kevin
 
With that kind of budget I might look into something an M-Audio Delta 1010 and some type of 8 pre box, like the Octopre or even the Behringer unit if you're really strapped for cash. Then you have software costs, maybe :)

The thing is, if you want to record drums, depending on the size of your kit and the type of music you're doing, you need at minimum 4 channels and optimally 8.

What's the rest of your setup? Mics, computer specs, etc?

In the end, it's less about the gear you have and more about your ears and your skills. Get the best you can afford, get it now, and start recording.
 
Why do you no likey the 001? :-) Well in college right now I'm being trained in Pro tools, so I figured it'd be the best route for me to take. Especially like you said, it's becoming the standard.

I'd be playing mainly rock music, and/or some light stuff (that'd take less mics I believe). I have a 6 pc kit w/ several cymbals, the typical size. Figure all I need is 2 over heads and the 6 other drums (a mic on each). So the 001 has 8 total inputs...so why not?

PC setup: Windows XP, 2.6 Ghz, 512 DDR ram, 60 gig HD (I'll prolly buy an external to save audio file crap). I'm JUST starting out here and not looking for amazing results in hardware.

But please do explain...Why do you think it'd be better to get a Delta card and pres rather than an 001? I figured I would just a cheaper ($150) channel pre for everything BUT drums. What editing program(s) can you use with the Delta? Right now (I just go analog from my board into stereo in my comp) I use Cool Edit.
 
If you're being trained in Pro Tools, consider that last post moot. You want to stick with one program and develop your skills in it so you can get the sounds you want easily. It's more about the engineer than the gear.

What's your budget for preamps? You want 6 channels, correct?
 
Well 6 channels of pres aren't really necessary quite yet because I still have to acquire all the mics needed for my kit and that will be a while...The most immediate recording I'll be doing is prolly just two channels at a time...maybe 3. So...I really for now only need a 2 channel pre...Of course, the digi 001 has two Focusrite preamps so I'd just use those, but I don't know where they fall in the line of quality. I imagine somewhere higher than what I've got in my shitty ass Behringer mixer. :-)
 
eeldip said:
um.. ok. wait.

yea, they sound different. like more different than you think. they both are pretty useful.

if you are looking at them in terms of strict fidelity, software plug-ins offer great price/performance. so they work well for invisible compression/limiting, eqs can be nice as well. plug ins also seem to do well for EXTREME effects. effects that seem really top level... like if you want to run the entire mix thru a flanger. you dont really hear much BETWEEN a plug in and the sound. which has its uses.

if you are looking at color, outboard works pretty well for that. outboard gear tends to give you more "information" in sort of a strict mathmatical sense. you hear the effect, you hear the amp stages, you hear all that other stuff. its complex, dynamic, chaotic. which is cool cause you can use that to locate that effect in some sort of aural imagined space.

outboard gear tends to be more "designed" as well. like tweaked here and there to get you closer to an overall sound ideal, as opposed to just giving you a strict effect. like really nice outboard gear will give you a sweet sounding ampstage at the output, or maybe a nice thick sounding transformer, or something like that.

also, factor in that the different interfaces produce in YOU very different work habits. the tactile/visual connection between box with knobs and human is different from the computer/human connection. so, you will HEAR things differently, you will work differently.

oh and artifacts... plug in artifacts are VERY different from analog artifacts. these things are important too. digital artifacts can be more obtrusive. again, they sound more "top level" to me. struggling analog gear in a mix kinda moves to the back of a mix whereas struggling digital stuff moves to the front, at least to my ears. so digital plug ins are useful for throwing things out front, like really far out front. like so far out front that you could trick listeners into thinking that their stereos are broken.

here is another way i look at it, in terms of aural soundscape. you have these levels in your recording: (with lots of grey in between)

1. room events. what is happening "in the room" with the musicians.

2. mix levels. what is happening "at the board"

3. recorder/recording medium level. what is happening "on the face of the medium".

all the events on your recording on playback fall somewhere in there. digital is very good at getting you closer to number 3. analog is good at moving things to lower numbers.

so during mixing, you can exploit this soundscape. if you want something to really pop out, even at low volumes... some bitreduction plug in will absolutely PASTE that element to the front of the mix (an extreme example).

if you have something you want to throw back, like a software synth that just sounds like it comes from another planet from the rest of the recording, run it through a guitar pedal. or if you really want to send it WAY back, amp it and mic the amp.

so, you know, use both and have fun. boy that was like a rant. or sometin
This type of rant is extremely useful. I'll do it once in an inspired while. Perspective and philosophy are important. This shows the whole picture. I'm about to install a bunch of stuff on PC and try some software compression. Guitar pedals have more power than rack units did in the '50's and early '60's, said some producer or engineer in the book I'm into.
 
thanks for the support in rants..

speaking of guitar pedals, lately i have been loving sending software synths out to a DOD 280 optical compressor guitar pedal. if you send a few tracks of synths out to that and back to the computer they stack up real nicely on top of one another.

makes them sound like a "synth section" if you follow.
 
Wolfman140 said:
Anyone got any comments about the Behringer compressor that runs for $100? (Forgot the name)
We recently bought a Multicom Pro MDX4400 (that's their 4-channel dynamics processor) and I was so impressed I immediately ordered another. Absolutely stunning value for money. The only thing it doesn't like is being overdriven - so watch your levels!

Chris.
 
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