One or two layers of fiberglass insulated walls?

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So the guy that's doing construction on my studio tells me that it may be too expensive to put fiberglass insulated wall on the inside AND outside of my soundproof rooms.

My question is, am I risking loss of soundproofness if I decide to only insulate the inside walls of the soundproof rooms? Should I insulate the inside AND outside walls? I'm almost certain both sides should be insulated. He told me to make sure.

I think I already know the answer (and it probably involves "you can't be cheap when it comes to building something as serious as a recording studio"). But yeah, Thanks in advance :)
 
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The short answer to your question is yes, you'll gain some Sound Transmission (or lose some "soundproofness") by not insulating both walls.

You need to decid what Sound Transmission Class you want to achieve with your walls, and build accordingly.
Here's a chart showing different wall construction types, and their STC ratings.
http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/pages/STC Chart.htm

There's a better graphic somewhere, but I can't find it.
 
I'm curious why the metal studs have such a better behaviour than the wood studs? It this because the metal is a little more flexible and does not transfer as well?
 
I'm curious why the metal studs have such a better behaviour than the wood studs? It this because the metal is a little more flexible and does not transfer as well?
Metal studs allow the PARTITION ASSEMBLY to flex better than wood, which absorbs like a membrane absorber(energy to heat). I believe the airgap between double walls must be sealed to do so, otherwise it doesn't work that way.
See this thread too.
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=127063


Here is a different STC rating illustration.
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One thing I forgot to add is this. These are STC ratings, which are a rating in the speaking range, NOT, music. Not only that, these ratings are only as good as your weakest link, which usually are doors and seals, windows, cabletroughs, and HVAC ducting and only if all the joints in the room are hermetically sealed. If THEY are not up to the rating of the wall.....well, guess what happens :rolleyes: You guessed it, the rating drops to an average.
 
What's the difference in those two STC ratings? I'm hoping that STC ratings for music are better at a lower number, because I was a little afraid to hear that the highest STC rating achievable by 3 layer wall w/ insulation would be 60, when striking a bass drum would produce a noise of 80db-ish.

On another note, will drop ceiling insulation tile lined along the entire inside walls improve STC ratings any?
 
OK, someone will correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think, in it simplest definition, an STC rating of 60, will effectively provide a reduction of 60dB.
So if your playing something at 80dB, you'll hear 20 of it. 20dB is akin to someone speaking very softly.
 
Hello Michael, say, I'm not correcting you and I am certainly no expert, but I believe the STC at the frequency of a bass drum is a misnomer. I believe STC does NOT account for frequencys in this range. It could be that the sound transmission of this type of sound is far greater, especially if the floor is not floated, or at least a floating platform or riser because of structural transmission of impact vibration. The use of those tiles MAY improve high frequency TL when used in conjunction with normal batt type insulation in the void between studs, but will do virtually nothing for the Lo hz stuff. I WOULD think, that to isolate drums from other rooms, it would take a floating room within a room with lots of MASS, and decoupling designed for this LO hz., however, like I said , I'm no expert, and don't know about the rest of his room. Just my .02 Here is a link for more info though.

http://www.domesticsoundproofing.co.uk/tloss.htm
fitZ
 
Yeah, I think you're right.
"Knightfly" understands the differences between STC and MTC much better than I do.
Maybe he'll chime in on this.
 
Question in regard to Rick Fitzpatrick's illustration

Hello Rick and Michael :D

As Rick illustrated here:

Here is a different STC rating illustration.
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Do I understand this to mean that even in regard to 'wood' stud construction, (double wall partitions), where one 'outer' wall is built facing the exterior 'OUTSIDE', and in my case where another 'interior' sub wall is built as part of a 'FREE STANDING' room, that it is better to leave that 'OUTER' wall 'WITHOUT' Drywall installed facing the inside NON-Drywalled side of the 'INNER' wall - so that you have 2 exposed insulated walls facing each other??? :confused:

OR

For purposes of creating MORE Density, and perhaps a little more isloation, is it better to go ahead and cover the inside portion of that 'Outer' wall with drywall?

Thanx again guys ..
Best Regards
Mike Fraticelli
ROCKON@ucwphilly.rr.com
 
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Michael, optimum use of materials for sound isolation is two masses, one air space, period. If you look at the "663" graphic, you'll see that REMOVING material will actually IMPROVE sound isolation, especially at lower frequencies - this is predominantly because the narrower air gap makes this a stiffer "spring", which then couples between the layers better - this passes more sound than if the air gap were larger, and ALL the mass was in the two outside leaves.

Optimum in the case of that graphic (which were actually tested assemblies, BTW) means that (check the 40 and 63 dB walls for this) you can get 23 dB more isolation using the exact same amount of material, just by WHERE in the assembly you place the mass.

This is no joke - I've had seasoned drywall contractors tell me that Resilient Channel doesn't work - in every case, when asked how they used it, they answered that they put it over the existing wallboard and put 1 or 2 more layers of wallboard over it - one even admitted he just "nailed through it", meaning he shorted it completely with nails.

Even the ones who didn't do that, lost any chance of improvement when they added the extra air gap between layers. What they should have done was to remove the original drywall, fasten the RC to the studs, fill with insulation, and THEN put 2 layers of drywall up. These guys told me the stuff actually made things WORSE for isolation - I don't doubt that; the physics are what they are, and that really stiff "spring" that was the 1/2" air gap where the RC was, absolutely killed any advantage the extra layers could have given.

As for insulation, a complete fill between leaves of a wall gives the best performance; even a slight overfill is good, because it causes the insulation to damp the panels' vibrations which further improves the TL, especially at resonance.

Of course, tight caulking is also a must - if it won't float, it won't be sound proof... Steve

Oh, forgot I was going to 'splain the low frequency thing a bit more - check this out

http://www2.sfu.ca/sonic-studio/handbook/Equal_Loudness_Contours.html

Note in the equal loudness graphs, that the lowest graph line is the approximate threshold of human hearing - if you trace that line to the left, you'll see it crosses the audibility threshold at approximately 52 dB at 50 hZ - this means that it takes 52 dB of SPL at 50 hZ before you can even HEAR it - this is why "loudness" controls on stereos are set to boost lows and highs relative to the rest of the spectrum, when listening at lower levels - as you raise the listening level, you reach the flattest region of the human ear at around 85-90 dB.

However, because of the hearing threshold being different for different frequencies, a kick drum that causes your SPL meter to bang 110 dB does NOT cause you to need 110 dB of loss through a wall in order to be inaudible, since you can't hear less than 52 dB at that low frequency.

Also note that the flattest response of the ear is at the level we generally recommend mixing at - and you can see by the shapes of the graphs that your perception of "enough bass" will change with the level you monitor at. That's why I always use a SPL meter on the console, set to C weighting, slow - if I make an adjustment to the mix and it causes this level to drift away from 85 dB, I bring the overall mix level up or down to compensate. This keeps frequency perception more constant, and helps keep mixes more "portable"...
 
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