On a performance like this...

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I doubt it in a live situation. Shania can sing, no doubt about it. The woman has talent. And like you mentioned, Nashville session players are the best in the world, hands down.
 
It's absolutely amazing ... and they make it look so effortless!
 
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Just because we're not hearing any of that "hip hp overtuning" stuff, doesnt mean it isnt being used.

I thought when set to a light level, it was undetectable. I thought if you were THAT good, and hit every note perfect, it never turned on??

I wouldnt see any reason why every singer wouldnt have one, live or otherwise.

especially live, it would be like insurance, and the better singers would have it to a very slight level anyways.
 
I do a fair bit of live mixing . . . mainly acoustic, folky type acts, but also jazz acts.

I've mixed some stinkers . . . where the tunefulness of the singer is poor and the harmonies are way out . . .

But I've also had the exquisite pleasure of mixing first class musicians; where the vocals are tight and absolutely locked together . . . in phrasing and pitch . . with no artifices.

It can be done . . . and it does appear effortless . . . for people who practiced their craft and refined their talent.
 
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I do a fair bit of live mixing . . . mainly acoustic, folky type acts, but also jazz acts.

I've mixed some stinkers . . . where the tunefulness of the singer is poor and the harmonies are way out . . .

But I've also had the exquisite pleasure of mixing first class musicians; where the vocals are tight and absolutely locked together . . . in phrasing and pitch . . with no artifices.

It can be done . . . and it does appear effortless . . . for people who practiced their craft and refined their talent.
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Those country people certainly set a performance standard to which to aspire ... and I'm not even really a country music fan, either. Although Shania would definitely one of my favorites in the genre, if I had to pick one.
 
tuned

Very obvious autotuning. It has all the tell-tale signs of an autotuned voice. You can tell because the moments where it sounds the most fake are consistently the parts where the human voice is naturally likely to be off key or thinner.

Whats sickening to me is not that shes using processed voice, its that the song is utter garbage as well as the stage performance.

You can sell anything to middle america.
 
i dont think it was that performance... just a great job of vid editing... example... when the 3 fiddles came up front they weren't even in the mix??? there was a synth playing...
 
Sounds to me like she's just a very good/well trained singer. The pre-chorus
or chorus whatever it is, is a bit questionable however.

Either way, I don't mind. It's just good to see that she's still a babe :D

EDIT - How old is she there?? If it's recent, and she's in her 40's there,

...whoa...
 
There's probably some subtle pitch correction going on. But it's definitely scaled back, especially on the slid notes; the slides are smooth, so they're obviously not being locked into a certain pitch.

There's also the distinct possibility that she's lip-synching and/or supplementing her vocals with backing tracks. I know when she did the superbowl a few years back, she was using pre-recorded vocals up the wazoo. (Towards the end when she's walking through the crowd and clapping the microphone over her head would be the giveaway.)
 
tuning

famous beagle said:
Specifically which spot are you talking about?
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Well im pretty damn familiar with this band and thats not how they sound, even on the record. My guess is that the vocals were processed live, or possibly after, hence the obvious fakeness in the vocal tone. Ive heard the demos dude, they dont sound like this.

Well im not going to fish trhough the entire performance for individual words that are obviously being shifted too high or low. It should be fairly obvious to anyone whos worked with tuning software of any kind where the mistriggers are. The dead giveaway is when the program tries to tune S sounds. Also, like i said before, voices naturally get thinner or more wavering as the notes are held, its part of human expression. And thats where the autotune shows because you dont sing in tune as youre breathing or starting and stopping a particular word. And yet, autotune will try to tune these things, and it sounds fakey. Dont get me wrong i love tegan and sara, but its processed very obviously in these performances. Particularly on the word "head" int eh second video, and the way Saras voice sounds when she doest the low harmony in the first video.

Just listen to the low harmony and tell me that isnt very obviously processed with a tuning program of some kind, either live, or in post. You can hear the formant lock in and not let up no matter what her inflection is. Thats the giveaway of processed vocals.
 
here ya go

This is what human voices sound like without tuning help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2XTkAoKlg&feature=related

Beautiful, awesome, fantastic, but... human.

The two vids that i am claiming to be processed were made AFTER the band had signed to a major label, so its possible there may be something to that, but that is speculation for sure.

I dont think tuning is cheating, i feel no moral or artistic obligation to do it either way. But its not at the point where it cant be detected in performances.
 
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At 2:44 you can hear some sort of electric morphoder thing happening in her (the first stadium singer's) voice, possibly as an effect and just used for that particular phrase.
But, I think there's something subtle that her voice goes thru all the time. It sounds like it in the phrasing. They say the giveaway of autotune is when the singer changes notes yet there are no sort of middle changes when going to the next note, the voice just locks to the next note and hits it. That song's got a lot of that sort of feel and phrasing, so it could be.

As for Sara and Tegan, it's recorded well. Nice and clear. As for autotune I don't know.
As a guy though, I just can't get into their lyrics. It's like, when they sing, "I held you in my arms, ... I want to lay next to you," I just have no feeling .. like it's irrelevant to me.
'Spose that's the coldness lesbians feel when they hear traditional love songs?

These guys are cool with Auto-Tune on high-extreme settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAfQhQJOquA&feature=PlayList&p=736C3116AD309B58&index=6
 
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Personally, I think if you use Autotune (C) you shouldn't be earning 50 miilion bucks a year. Knock it down to a million even, that's better. Then we are all in the same boat = have the same chance of successes.
That guy, Kayne West (let it be said on this Songwriting forum for songwriters to see) is a nave.
 
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