Old Tune, Redone, Same Problems. ANY Input Requested.

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Hi, not posted for a while.

I have been working on my stuff for a while now, i re-worked a old tune of mines. I still can sing (so no vocals) and I still can't do drums.

I have included the tune with and without drums so if anyone wants to add vocals or drums and send them to me them please feel free.

(BTW the MP3 did'nt come out too clear with the drums and something strange happened to the piano at the start)

I would love any feedback or comments, no matter how small or nasty :)

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Without Drums

 
What are you monitoring on? The rhythm guitars are so far back I can barely hear them on the track with drums. The solo guitars and "piano" are therefore way way upfront (and the intonation is a little off on your acoustic, try pulling on the strings a little). The kick drum has way too much thump and they cymbals are too far back...none of the reverb matches....there is some weird stereo stuff going on which might just be the 96K encoding....

It's a good start though, and a nice tune.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Slackmaster2K said:
What are you monitoring on? The rhythm guitars are so far back I can barely hear them on the track with drums. The solo guitars and "piano" are therefore way way upfront (and the intonation is a little off on your acoustic, try pulling on the strings a little). The kick drum has way too much thump and they cymbals are too far back...none of the reverb matches....there is some weird stereo stuff going on which might just be the 96K encoding....

It's a good start though, and a nice tune.

Slackmaster 2000

Thanks, you've gave me some questions I need help with.

The encoding did screw it it but there are problems I know.

a) I usually use an elevtric guitar but I bought a *cheap* electro acoustic and don't see any way of correcting the intonation, any ideas?

b) What sort of compression, eq etc should I use on the drums to get them to sound right?

c) I did not add reverb to this one as I noticed the guitar added some natural reverb, how do I cancel or match reverb across different instruments?

Thanks again,
Paul
 
1) I've never had an acoustic with a real mechanism to adjust intonation, but you can compensate with technique. For instance, most of the guitar solo parts in your song sound fine, but at certain times when you hold certain notes, they sound really flat (going from memory here). Instead of just hitting a note and holding it, put a little vibrato into it which will mask the flatness and make the note sound more pleasing. If it's an open string, avoid using it and play the part in a different position if possible.

2) You say you didn't add any reverb...well I seem to remember the drums sounding like they had a lot of reverb on them. I can't remember but I'm pretty sure they were sampled, right?. Try finding samples that are much more dry. Using wet samples is almost impossible because you have to create the rest of your mix around them. You can find a couple good acoustic dry samples at http://www.2dcd.com under the sample sounds section. Snag ALL the samples they put up, they're great! As far as EQ and compression...avoid compressing sampled drums as it's only necessary in certain situations because the samples always play at the same volume. You can EQ a little bit but there are no "EQ settings" that can be recommended. You just don't want your snare & kick fighting with other instruments. I didn't hear any bass, so the kick should behave. For the snare I've found that using a real snappy sample (there's one at 2dcd) to start with is the best bet.

3) How did you record the electric guitar? If you're getting a lot of reverberation from your room then try close mic'ing it and adding fake reverb in the mix (if necessary). Reverb is like the glue that holds everything together...it's hard for an amature like me to explain and it's even harder to use effectively. Start paying attention to how things sound in various rooms as you wander about....that's what reverb processors are for; putting your instrument into the room of your choice (too bad it's not that simple).

At any rate, I wouldn't worry about reverb, EQ, or compression at this point. The mix with the drums was really off just in basic track levels. In most cases you should try to get as big a clean mix with your raw tracks as you can so that you can get a better understanding of what exactly needs to be done. Don't just grasp at straws looking for "recommended compression settings" and the like. Hear what you want the mix to sound like in your head, and then try to duplicate it using the tools at your disposal. Don't worry if you can't seem to get it right. I sure as hell have never gotten anything right. The good news is that once you start learning these things you can come back with specific questions and get specific answers.

Slackmaster 2000
 
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