"Ridiculous. To say their playing is not BASED INSIDE THE SAME mindset is just silly. CLEARLY, to anyone who can be honest with themselves, those who learned in the theory way sound more similar than those who learned by ear. If you can't even admit that, you are a lost cause. "
I'm a lost cause because i don't agree with you about what constitutes "feeling?" I'm thinking your just a little too touchy feely,crying in your beer type of fellow.No i'm not gonna hug you or agree with you.There's nothing to admit to either.I like what i like and listen to what i like.I like hearing guitar players of all sorts and don't personally get all touchy feely when some guy on the internet doesn't agree with me.I'm not the one trying to prove one is better than the other.
"Pushing my beliefs? Again, just silly. If you can debate concepts without feeling people are pushing their beliefs on you, why even read this thread? No one is PUSHING their beliefs on you, how utterly ridiculous."
I'm not the one debating "feel."You're the one who keeps insisting that shredders play with less feel.I offered that "better" or "playing with emotion" or however you want to describe it is only a matter of opinion.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and doesn't have to agree with you.But you insist on pushing your opinion like it's fact and not open to debate.Just accept that not everyone shares your opinion and let it go.
"Show me the facts or evidence.There is none.Art,emotion,feel,etc.,is a personal choice"
Nope, this is the politically correct garbage that is truly tiring and silly. If an artist flung some crap on a canvas and a couple iots called it great art, that doesn't make it great art. Sorry, but your silly PC belief that all art is equal, all of it is as legitimate as any other is just , well, dumb. That view point is the one that's really been thrown out for years by people like you and it's the one that is worn to death. It's time someone said it, all art is not equal, if fact, some of it is garbage, no mater if you can find some people who claim some crap on a canvas is wonderful or not."
O.K. I f you're going to quote me,than post the entire bit.
"Show me the facts or evidence.There is none.Art,emotion,feel,etc.,is a personal choice.Van Gogh didn't sell a single painting in his lifetime.The buying public at large thought his work was crap and he was a bit of a weirdo.He didn't get much recognition til after he died.I'm still not impressed by his work but it is what it is..."
I'm not to say what is or isn't art.Neither are you.Millions of folks buy crap all the time and enjoy it regardless of your opinion.
"If you don't like shredders don't listen to them.Why do you feel the need to justify yourself or your own playing ability by blasting on the theory players?"
No need at all, if you even think this then you need to take some reading comprehension classes."
Again, CLEARLY theory players sound FAR FAR MORE ALIKE than ear players, and only someone who intentionally is trying to remain blind or dishonest would claim otherwise. There is a reason for it, and it's clear. If you learn by theory, you are locked in to that and lose a certain amount of individuality on the instrument, it's OBVIOUS. Because you don't want to face it, or you want to play the silly game of "all art is equal in it's content" crap, be my guest. That doesn't make it true, sure does sound nice and fuzzy warm though, doesn't it?
No need at all, if you even think this then you need to take some reading comprehension classes."
From your above statements how can i not think this?There's nothing blind or dishonest about disagreeinging with your opinion.
The last thing Vai is thinking on stage is, "I am expressing my inner emotions". It's laughable to even consider. He's thinking, "hey, i can put this Ionian scale over that chord, then add the 7th and 9th, then do an arpeggio sweep, yeah". So sorry, anyone who says these theory guys aren't WAY MORE similar sounding to each other than the ear guys are is just, well, full of it. be honest and admit it, then we can discus WHY THAT IS. I know why it is, they learned the same way, the same things, and they see their instruments basically the exact same way, and the only difference in their playing is what theory they want to apply at a certain time."
You don't know what anyone is thinking and never will.Mr Vai could be thinking about the wet fart he left during his Ionian run and hoping it doesn't seep through his pants.That would be embarressing...but when has the knowledge of knowing how to play efficiently become a bad thing?If you break a string and can still play a part of a solo or a certain chord and have the knowledge to do it effectively that's theory at work.If you do it by bending a string up to that note or know where to find that note on a seperate string,that's theory at work.If you just grimace and fake it,who cares...if it sounds good and folks like it..no harm no foul.
"In short, ear guys express their actual individual thoughts with their notes, theory guys express theory and the only difference is what theory each decides to put over a chord sequence.
Come on, here's Malmsteen
Yngwie Malmsteen - Like An Angel - YouTube
Listen to THE STYLE. Awesome to watch, and the song itself is nice, and imparts a certain emotion, but the guitar playing itself, listen to the style.
Yngwie Malmsteen - Like An Angel - YouTube
Now watch Vai. Again, GREAT performance, technically perfect, wonderful THEORY, but to say you cannot hear the SAME style and way of seeing the guitar by both of them is just silly.
Steve Vai - "For The Love Of God" - YouTube
CLEARLY they learned the same way, the same stuff, and it makes them express what they do in the SAME TYPE STYLE and way. This couldn't be any more obvious. The scales and such they use, the modes, the only difference is just what theory they decide to use at that moment, but their STYLES are the same, same as Dweezil, same as the rest of them, like they came off the same production line, and so they did.
If you don't want to admit it, or it hurts you smehow, so be it."
What's to admit?That both are shredders and play a similar style of music?Of course they do...but you're trying to sell us your idea of what "feel" is,and won't admit that others are entitled to their opinion.That somehow must hurt YOU because you can't accept that others like myself just won't blindly accept your position.
"I like these performances as well, they are mind blowing, but I don't love them FOR THE SAME reason I love hearing Zappa play, or Robby Kreiger play, or Beck play. I love those because they express their unique personalities, with their unique little melodies in their playing, and they are very very different from each other as a result.
So now I have instructed you on why you like them as well, whether you want to accept it or not."
I've been instructed!!! on why i like them whether i accept it or not....So now you're telling me what i like...You know what Vai is thinking while on stage...This last bit of yours sums it up nicely.Please post an example of YOUR work.I'd really like to hear some of YOUR "feel"
You're posting of links to famous guitarists is lame.If folks didn't like them they wouldn't be famous.Obviously their playing speaks to some,maybe not you,but some folks do like it whether you accept it or not.Post some links of Your playing.
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