Old School recordings

[travelin travis]

Hmmmm...........I'm still guessing at this monitoring system. It would have to be headphones or some kind of twist on headphones. Frequency time delay would have to be considered, left/right phase differences, frequency level balancing.................this makes me want to do some experimenting.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I'm still guessing at this monitoring system. It would have to be headphones or some kind of twist on headphones.

If we're starting a pool, my guess will be for a system that turns the monitor inside out. The engineer will be sitting *inside* the loudspeaker enclosure instead of in front of it. In other words, the enclosure becomes the control room. By being able to have design control over the enclosure dimensions and materials, the "perfect" (quotes emphasized) listening situation can be setup with "perfect" acoustics and phase control.

It'll be like buying a prefab vocal booth to put in your room, but in this case it's a prefab CR with all monitoring specifically designed and built in for optimum performance in that space.



G.

 

[travelin travis]

If we're starting a pool, my guess will be for a system that turns the monitor inside out. The engineer will be sitting *inside* the loudspeaker enclosure instead of in front of it. In other words, the enclosure becomes the control room. By being able to have design control over the enclosure dimensions and materials, the "perfect" (quotes emphasized) listening situation can be setup with "perfect" acoustics and phase control.

It'll be like buying a prefab vocal booth to put in your room, but in this case it's a prefab CR with all monitoring specifically designed and built in for optimum performance in that space.



G.

Nice to see someone else guessing at this besides me. Any ideas on how you create such an environment in a small space? I'm stumped.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Not even close, you guys, so no cigar. It needs to be a wide-field experience for pro studios - so, you need a wide "sweet spot" for that, or better yet, no "sweet spot".

And an isolation booth for monitoring and mixing would be impractical for most studios.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Nice to see someone else guessing at this besides me. Any ideas on how you create such an environment in a small space? I'm stumped.

I'm not qualified to design such a thing - if I were, I'd be doing that instead of talking on a home recording forum .

But I'll bet the boys at Bose might have a few ideas along those lines; they are keen on the idea of using tuned spaces, the use of reflective design, and similar acoustic tricks to get more out of small and less-than ideal spaces than would seem practical at first blush.

I'm just thinking that in a field where everything is already "outside the box", thinking outside the box means going inside the box! Now, come on Travis, wouldn't HST be proud of that twisted logic?

Of course right now Harvey is doing a coffee spittake all over his keyboard, laughing and shaking his head as he mops it up because I haven't the slightest idea of what I'm talking about . Just trying to make your day, Harv!

G.

 

[cecerre]

I hope I don't offend, but a quick web search shows this for Harvey's (And son?) current digs...

http://www.itrstudio.com/index.html

I gotta say, I wish I lived closer to Texas I did notice a low end Nady and Realistic mic on the list of mics..Interesting. Just goes to show even the pro's realize that you use whats sounds good. Not just what name is printed on it.

Harvey, I am really diggin' the info. I agree with a previous poster, I think you've got all the makings of a pretty good 'Forest Gump' type tell all book..Hell, who knows, could be a great movie! Thanks for sharing..

-PC

 

[travelin travis]

Not even close, you guys, so no cigar. It needs to be a wide-field experience for pro studios - so, you need a wide "sweet spot" for that, or better yet, no "sweet spot".

Of course right now Harvey is doing a coffee spittake all over his keyboard, laughing and shaking his head as he mops it up because I haven't the slightest idea of what I'm talking about . Just trying to make your day, Harv!

Ok, I have it. A system of pipes that funnel the sound to your ears...........I have no clue. I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Nice to see someone else guessing at this besides me. Any ideas on how you create such an environment in a small space? I'm stumped.

That's where the patents come in.

 

[XLR]

I volunteer to be a beta-tester.

Tim

 

[lyriex]

Dude, seriously? "Hey Jude" is not the name of an album. In fact if I'm remembering correctly off the top of my head, it's not on any albums, it was just a single (not counting later releases of "best of's" like the Blue album)

Also, I'm pretty sure Lady Madonna was only a single also.

It sound like maybe you're thinking about the blue album: The Beatles 1967-1970

it's a singles collection, i own a copy of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Jude_%28album%29

 

[Harvey Gerst]

I'm not qualified to design such a thing - if I were, I'd be doing that instead of talking on a home recording forum .

But I'll bet the boys at Bose might have a few ideas along those lines; they are keen on the idea of using tuned spaces, the use of reflective design, and similar acoustic tricks to get more out of small and less-than ideal spaces than would seem practical at first blush.

I'm just thinking that in a field where everything is already "outside the box", thinking outside the box means going inside the box! Now, come on Travis, wouldn't HST be proud of that twisted logic?

Of course right now Harvey is doing a coffee spittake all over his keyboard, laughing and shaking his head as he mops it up because I haven't the slightest idea of what I'm talking about . Just trying to make your day, Harv!

G.

No, it's all cool. And I'm not trying to lead anybody on, or play "Guess the Secret". I've been working on this low cost system for about 5 years now. Over 10 years on the high dollar design. I really wish I could say more, but I really can't.

Amer Bose has done a really clever thing; taken a fairly flat speaker (from about 90 Hz to 9,000 Hz, anyway) and turned it into a marketing empire.

And tuned pipes suffer from the same problems that bad rooms do - the notes build up and die away too slowly to work well.

 

[travelin travis]

I volunteer to be a beta-tester.

Tim

I'm next in line.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

I hope I don't offend, but a quick web search shows this for Harvey's (And son?) current digs...

http://www.itrstudio.com/index.html

I gotta say, I wish I lived closer to Texas I did notice a low end Nady and Realistic mic on the list of mics..Interesting. Just goes to show even the pro's realize that you use whats sounds good. Not just what name is printed on it.

-PC

Well, the Nady was given to me, and those Realistic condenser mics? They were made by Sony for Radio Shack and they're pretty decent, once you up the voltage on them.

 

[deltacaster]

I love this whole topic.

I've read this forum before but never posted I believe, the old school-lo fi thing got me fired up.

I think there's really a whole movement of people wanting to hear music that doesn't sound 'digital'. Whether that means throwing your final mix onto an open real, or recording with Vintag equipment, I believe it's a very palpible trend in certain segments of music currently.

Look at the details on the recording of the NEW Tony Bennett album. Most was done live, in one take with 4 musicians and his vocal duet partner live, on one mic, sharing it. Bennett says many of the guest musicians on the album were so impressed with this technique, they are contemplating a similar approach to their next projects, among them, multi-platinum slick glossy produced "Dixie Chicks".

I've got 2 old 4 tracks that I'm still curious what I'm going to do with, but for some reason I'm completely fascinated with them. One is a first generation 'portable' open real multitrackier from 1961 (Voice of Music).

Imperfection can sell, as much as perfect recordings. If it weren't for the flaws in players styles, and singers voices, we would all sound boring as hell, imho.

Be around,

Stacy

I hope I don't offend, but a quick web search shows this for Harvey's (And son?) current digs...

http://www.itrstudio.com/index.html

I gotta say, I wish I lived closer to Texas I did notice a low end Nady and Realistic mic on the list of mics..Interesting. Just goes to show even the pro's realize that you use whats sounds good. Not just what name is printed on it.

Harvey, I am really diggin' the info. I agree with a previous poster, I think you've got all the makings of a pretty good 'Forest Gump' type tell all book..Hell, who knows, could be a great movie! Thanks for sharing..

-PC

 

[musicstew]

Given the nature of this thread and how some very old recordings still sound great it just goes to show how immensely important recording technique is.