Okay...I have played with my new TB10...so I thought I would start another thread...

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Hey. What kind of headphones and what microphone are you using ? Can you tell us that before this becomes a fragfest ?

Also tell us exactly how your signal path works, every connection.

I am assuming that you have something wrong. I don't want to piss you off by this I am just assuming that you would be able to hear the difference in signals.

Make sure not to monitor to damn loud for a couple of days prior, good mic pres are almost always subtle when compared to each other. If you track 3 part harmonys on the TB and then on the Roland I think that you will start to be very happy.

Its always easier for me to hear whats going on with some nearfields and a good clean, flat reference ampflier.

Peace.
 
No disrespect intended, but I suspect that Outlaws is recording his TB10 on the Roland box. If that's the case then he/she is still going through the pres of the Roland. If the TB10 is going through the Roland box 1) Outlaws will not get full benefit of the TB10 and 2) most importantly there's no real way to hear and evaluate the TB10 if it is being mixed into the Roland. Obviously a better way to put the TB10 through the paces would be to record the Roland and the TB10 separately to another medium like a computer (preferably an uncolored medium). This is especially true, because the TB10 is an uncolored-type" pre (if my impression is correct)... Outlaws, you're the only one who can clear this up, so what's the deal?
 
c7sus said:
I'm betting Outlaws/Locus Larson is trying to figure out another new handle by now..............

Or maybe he just relocated to HC???:eek:
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I saw that he was lurking on the bbs this morning when I was getting my morning dose of homerecording. But he/she didn't answer the post (that he/she started no less). Aw well... there's always tomorrow. ;)
 
In Outlaws defense, I went through something similar when I bought my Great River pre a few years back. I only had a meager Yamaha MD4S Minidisc recorder which had preamped XLR/1/4" Line/Mic inputs, inserts on each channel (which could bypass the pres) and also had ATRAC compression. I also used an Aphex 107. At first I had all kinds of interfacing problems due to the Great River having unbalanced XLR outputs. I wanted to plug the pre into the inserts on my Yamaha to bypass the crappy built in pres, but weird things happened. After talking with Fletcher on the phone (which was pretty cool!) it turns out my XLR-TS cable was wired incorrectly. I took it back to Sam Ash and they fixed the cables for me (I'm not good with a soldering gun!). So with that problem solved, did I still hear a tremendous difference? NO!!! Because the ATRAC compression was screwing up my signal. Not until I went to a PC rig with a Delta 44 did I really notice a big difference between the Great River and the Aphex. So because not all my gear was up to snuff, I couldn't appreciate the Great River.

Outlaws - People were trying to help you, but you needed to answer the questions completely, and look to see what you might be doing wrong regarding interfacing the TB10 with the rest of your gear. Also, don't discount the monitoring chain! I have a nice set of Tannoy Reveal Actives, but I'm sure if I used PC speakers, or even headphones, the differences between my pres would not be revealed to me during playback.

So if you really want to get the best out of your gear, listen to these folks!
 
Headphones should be just as good as monitors for showing differences between pres. Headphones excel at showing fine details. Not as good for relative levels between tracks or for mixing.

-Jtt
 
I'd agree with Jet's comment about good headphones showing good detail. I'm at a loss as to why Outlaws hasn't answered the same question that has been posed to him my me and others (about whether he plugged the TB10 in the Roland box or whether he has another medium to test the pres from the roland against the TB10 pres). Absolutely mystified. Comments like
"f$%^ you" don't really do anything for me. I'd much rather he answer the question, because it can help him and others in similar situations.

I don't think anyone cares about the Davisound fiasco. The bottom line is Outlaws has his pre now, and it would be nice to hear how the pre is from another source other than Recording Engineer.
 
part of the problem on this goes to philosophy. some companies such as davissound, sytek and fmr, don't do loaners. so, someone like dot (or myself) either gets out the credit card or relies on the kindness of others for review units.
 
Rev E said:
Comments like
"f$%^ you" don't really do anything for me. I'd much rather he answer the question, because it can help him and others in similar situations.

I don't think anyone cares about the Davisound fiasco. The bottom line is Outlaws has his pre now, and it would be nice to hear how the pre is from another source other than Recording Engineer.
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Hey outlaws, we're all here to learn from and help each other - isn't that why you asked the question in the first place?

I have definitely felt stupid before by asking what I have asked, but I have always learned, and hopefully someone else checking it out learned also and avoided making my mistakes...

IT'S NO BIGGIE - as for the guys who roasted you - whatever. Chalk it up to tough love.

You are in a position to contribute - don't take your toy and go home...
 
LOL Nowadays I simnply plug the mic into one of the Avalons (I've got 2 737s and a 2022) and hit 'record'...

But back when I only had the single 737, I'd record the snare direct thru the Avalon and the kick would go thru the Avalon via the channel insert during mixdown.

It was actually a small hassle during that first month with only one 737, because I had to sync all my tracks via SMPTE/MTC so I could run stereo keyboards thru the pre-amp, always recording one track at a time

Dingo ;)
 
Sir Dingo said:
But back when I only had the single 737, I'd record the snare direct thru the Avalon and the kick would go thru the Avalon via the channel insert during mixdown.
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yeah I thought it'd be a bit hard to "track" two channels through a mono unit....;)
so you just "mixed" the kick through the avalon
 
Originally posted by c7sus I just bought Voxvendor's TB-10 so I'll try to post something at the first opportunity.

Here's the new signal chain:

BLUE Cactus> TB-10> Darla 20.

Dang I need some Lucid converters! But for the time being I guess I need to make some XLR> RCA cables.................
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Good for you c7sus. I'm looking forward to hearing what it sounds like.
 
Hey c7,

dont sell the converters in that Darla short.....yes it is now your weak link...but it has 20 bit Crystal CS5335's which is the predecessor to the 24bit Crystal 5363's that went in the LynxOne.......
 
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