OK, is this just plain stupid???

[RAMI]

I don't think an sm57 has a null zone. J/k....but I don't think there's a mic who's null zone is so dead, it actually totally eliminates everything. Certainly not on a 57.


Then again, I might be wrong. It's been known to happen.

 

[rayc]

RAMI,
If it works for you then I think you've put a lid on the hat issue. I'm brim full of pride that you could use a cap to take the peak from the sonic band created by the hat. By the way that's a top hat you have!
Um, sorry...
I tips m'lid to ya!

 

[crosstudio]

i doubt very seriously if you are getting any real high frequency attenuation with just the baseball cap material alone, but i know how you can find out.

take the high hat, take your cap, take your head. place your head behind the cap, plug one finger into your opposite ear and have your best bud hit the high-hat while you place and displace the baseball cap.

i wouldn't recommend anyone but a true friend assist you with this experiment lest you be tin eared for life.

of course, the other way to do this is to whack the high hat with record on and move the baseball cap to see what the SPL difference is.

 

[NL5]

Why not try and take more advantage of the cardoid rejection?

 

[ecktronic]

Or am I onto something???

I've been doing this bascall cap thing for about a year to help keep the high hat out of the snare mic. I think it works, but I'm not sure how much.

What do you think???

http://www.ramirami.com/images/photos/gallery/678407.jpg

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Why do you think it could be stupid?
Seems like a great way of shielding.

Eck

 

[scorpio01169]

Why not try and take more advantage of the cardoid rejection?

i was going to suggest the same thing....and move the hi hat away from the snare a bit

 

[ecktronic]

I was thinking maybe you could try something a little different next time.

Like a hat made of meat, perhaps?

Mmmm, meat hats. = the future.
Eck

 

[ecktronic]

And now for something completely different.

What's the polar pattern on the mic? You should just be able to place it so the HH falls into a null zone.

God, I love Monty Python.

Eck

 

[ecktronic]

You could always mute the hat with cloths, then add them in after.
That would eliminate all the hat bleed.

Anyone tried this before?
Anyone willing to try it?

Rami, you could give it a go as uou seem like a pretty solid drummer so it wouldnt be much of a challenge for you to try. Then you can let us know the results.

Eck

 

[NL5]

And now for something completely different.

What's the polar pattern on the mic? You should just be able to place it so the HH falls into a null zone.

Sorry, I guess I missed this post when I posted.

Seriously, why wouldn't you just use the mic's rejection pattern to your advantage? I almost never have bleed issues - especially not in the snare mic.

 

[Sloan]

pour sum beer on it.

 

[RAMI]

You could always mute the hat with cloths, then add them in after.
That would eliminate all the hat bleed.

Anyone tried this before?
Anyone willing to try it?

Rami, you could give it a go as uou seem like a pretty solid drummer so it wouldnt be much of a challenge for you to try. Then you can let us know the results.

Eck

Well, I would never do that. I play drums, why would I split up the task???

Like I said in a few of my first posts, I don't mind a bit of bleed and I don't have aproblem with my hi hat going into my snare too much. I think what I'm doing with the cap is just a little bit of insurance. Whtether it makes a diff or not, I'm not sure. That's why I posted and that's why I named the thread the way I did.
But I don't need to move my hats away from my snare or do anything out of the ordinary.

As far as the "null" point of a SM 57...Are you guys trying to tell me that you can place it so that absolutely no hi hat leaks into it???? I didn't think so.

 

[jmorris]

I do 2 things if I get too much hihat bleed. One is take some foam like the teatment type,cut a 6"by6" square and poke hole in middle and put snare mic through it, ot place snare mic under hihat facing snare to get as little hihat as possible.

 

[NL5]

Are you guys trying to tell me that you can place it so that absolutely no hi hat leaks into it???? I didn't think so.

Almost none, yes. A 57 has a pretty good cardoid pattern. I use a hyper cardiod mic with even more rejection. When I mix drums there is NO bleed into the mix. Zero.

 

[Dogman]

Sorry, I guess I missed this post when I posted.

Seriously, why wouldn't you just use the mic's rejection pattern to your advantage? I almost never have bleed issues - especially not in the snare mic.

Gunnar, do you have any pics on your placement? I just put a 58 on my snare the other day, and am still messing with the placement. It has some bleed, but that hasn't mattered so far.

 

[NL5]

Gunnar, do you have any pics on your placement? I just put a 58 on my snare the other day, and am still messing with the placement. It has some bleed, but that hasn't mattered so far.

I will get one for you. Basically you need to position the mic so that the cardoid rejection zone is pointed at the hat's and the highest sensitivity point is pointed at the snare.

Rami's photos show that the hat is not in the rejection zone (maybe a couple db at best)

 

[RAMI]

Almost none, yes. A 57 has a pretty good cardoid pattern. I use a hyper cardiod mic with even more rejection. When I mix drums there is NO bleed into the mix. Zero.

Gunnar, I find it hard to believe that there is a point on any mic , or at least a 57, where absolutely nothing gets through. I'm not saying it's impossible, especially since I trust your opinion on something like this. But I'll have to experiment and see if I can find a point on that mic where NOTHING gets through.
But, like I said, I don't have a problem with the little bleed I get, so it's not something I've spent alot of time trying toaccomplish.

 

[NL5]

Gunnar, I find it hard to believe that there is a point on any mic , or at least a 57, where absolutely nothing gets through. I'm not saying it's impossible, especially since I trust your opinion on something like this. But I'll have to experiment and see if I can find a point on that mic where NOTHING gets through.
But, like I said, I don't have a problem with the little bleed I get, so it's not something I've spent alot of time trying toaccomplish.

A 57 can achieve at least 20db reduction. That's not super great, but quite significant. Especially since the snare will normally be louder than the hats to start. It will in the very least help WAY WAY WAY more than a baseball hat (it's not getting anywhere near 20db reduction), and will make gating a snap to eliminate the little bit that is in there.

Here is a pic - it's not very good, as my kit is set up for my 8 year old, so the hats sit about 1" higher than the snare, and you can barely get a mic in there. I use a hyper cardoid ATM23HE.

 

[NL5]

Ok here is a better pic - remember, the kit is set up for an 8 year old, so there is very little room between the snare and hats. I drew the cardoid pattern in red (and yes, it looks like a first grader did it ) It actually has more rejection on the "lobes" than I drew, but I suck at drawing in paint!

Notice though, they rejection zone is pointed directly at the hats.....

 

[Dogman]

Thanks Gunnar....I'm still messing with setup, and don't seem to have much trouble with the bleed, for now, as I really only record to hear how I'm progressing. But I'd like to have some better knowledge when I do get ready to record. I would like to get a better snap off the snare, so I do need to play with placement some more.

Thanks man.